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 What’s a good (maybe refurbished) Android phone to try out graphene and nostr from the other side? 
 I think the pixel 4a's are still supported (not 100% sure on that) but 6's are also getting fairly cheap.  
 I saw the 6 on Amazon was pretty reasonably priced. Thanks! 
 6's will still have support for a bit to so if you like it you wont have to upgrade for a bit. I know the 4's are getting close to EOL.  
 The Samsung A05 is pretty cheap if available in your geography  
 Does this work well with Graphene or it’s better with CalyxOS ? 
 Graphene only supports pixel devices afaik 
 correct, 6a and up 
 Thanks! 
 Good to know! Thanks 
 Consider getting not the lowest supported device, as google and graphene eventually stop support of older devices. This means you are stuck with outdated hardware.

Check for a pixel 7 refurb on amazon, your local phone stores/e-commerce shops 
 This makes sense. I’ll take a look 
 Yeah 7a new unboxed on ebay for like 309, you flashing it anyway so no need for it to be new new. 
 Get a refurb 8 for 50% more and it'll last 2x as long. 
 I went with the 8 for this reason.

Refurbished on Amazon for 3.5 XMR or so and guaranteed updates until 2030 I think 
 by comparison the Pixel 7 is only getting updates for another 3 years and the Pixel 6 for 2. 
 I don't know. It's just the cheapest Samsung phone. Not sure if it supports GrapheneOS 
 Good to know. 
Others are saying that graphene is only for pixel phones 
 Like.....For when you're dead😳🤔😂??  
 If not a pixel and graphene, try divestOS 
 GrapheneOS runs only on google pixels. So you could get a used pixe,l 6a or 7a are quite good. Don't know if the series 5 still gets security updates. 
 I read a bit about security updates. That the device stops getting those updates based on their regular schedule. Would be cool if they kept going with Graphene but it is what is 
 Good to know. Then not older then the 6er series.  
 I’ll look into that. Thanks 
 The 6 will be the oldest that still has a nice screen and gets all the GOS features.  
 And it’s pretty cheap on Amazon. Thanks! 
 6a ftw 
 Everyone seems to be saying 6/6a. Do you know if it’s much better than the 6 or the 6 pro even? 
 I don't remember. 
 best bang for the buck. longer battery life then 6. pro has a better camera but you're on graphene so does it really matter? just my 2 sats 
 Is it durable even though it’s made of plastic? (6a) 
 i think so. throw a case on it, it gets slippery if you have wet or sweaty hands. 
 I have a 6pro, wife has 6. Both have held up under Graphene. Good phones. 
 Rocking 4a & 6a pixels  
 Do you know if 6a is more recent than 6 pro or is it roughly the same? 
 6a more recent and has the same spec as the 6, but the 6a is made of plastic and doesn't have a 120hz screen. I had a 6a to dip me toe in. It is a piece of plastic though so feels cheap 🤣 get the standard 6 the price difference will be minimal if any.  
 Or 6 pro only if you need a bigger phone  
 That’s good to know. Thanks! 
 Ah so 6a is plastic 
 Yeah if coming from an iPhone it feels like a toy.  
 Definitely. I would be afraid to drop it 
 GrapheneOS only works on Pixel phones. I have a Pixel6 and it’s a nice phone. 

https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices 
 Pixel 6 seems to be the consensus. Thanks! 
 pixel 8a will give you 6 years support, but 7a is also respectable, just less value for money 
 I’m trying to keep the cost low. This would be a second device. I’ll look into it but I might go with something cheaper like the 6 or 6a 
 get a 6a, longer guaranteed support than the 6 
 ~2 years 
 Good to know! 
 I have a 6 and no complaints. Now I’m reluctant to give it up for a trade so I can try graphene too. 
 Really? You don’t want to upgrade because it’s that good? 
 It’s as good as when I got it ..3 years ago. 
 Great quality and durability is always nice 
 Pixl 6a 
 Thanks 
 Pixel 6a GrapheneOS user here.
No need to upgrade yet. 
 I saw some even cheaper than the 6 on Amazon 
 I would recommend the newest Pixel for your price range. It will get updates for longer. The a model is the cheapest option, and they are usually good enough.  
 That’s what I learned about the a model while looking into this. Thanks for the info! 
 Any phone on the Graphene list will work--andi it'll continue to work, even after support from Google and Graphene end...so for "trying it out" you can simply purchase the oldest supported model.

HOWEVER--I agree with buying the best (latest) you can afford. While the 6 and 7 series are good price points, the 8 has imroved security hardware...so that may be what I'd recommend.

AND -- having said all that -- remember Black Friday is not far away, and Google typically has a great deal on an older pixel at that time.
 
 Great advice. Thanks! 
 Sure...last year they had the Pixel 7a on sale for $399 on Black Friday...that's even now $100 less than the current Google price...

Of course each year is different (and it'll depend on how much stock of each model they have to liquidate)...