Have you looked into XMPP? https://takebackourtech.org/xmpp-comeback/ 

 yes, i love jmp.chat

https://jmp.chat/faq 

 I had hoped that Molly would continue supporting SMS so I could have possibly gotten some family members to use Signal for "texting" (plus I'd know my SMS were encrypted at rest). It was really great to have conversations opportunistically use an e2ee protocol when possible, without the user having to think about anything.

Sadly, Molly also abandoned that feature, just like Signal. I would have switched clients in a heartbeat, too. Missed opportunity.

Seems unlikely that they'll switch the code back at this point. 😐 

 i hear you. it was a polarizing decision. still, signal is good for normies, and for privacy folks, i recommend molly over signal 

 Sadly all the family members that I converted to Signal over the years went back to SMS.

It was years of effort and making small improvements down the drain.

If I go through all that level of effort again, I am going to do it with something where there's not a monoculture of clients. I've learned my lesson there. No matter how much I think a developer has my back, it's just not worth the risk. 😞 

 I can't trust myself on these things but the normies I talked to found the SMS integration confusing.
I think it's for the best there's a clear distinction that "this messaging app is different". People are used to use different communication channels all the time, not that hard. 

 That may be true for privacy advocates, but many people are not used to different apps for what they see as the same thing (texting).

They don't get why they have to use a different app to talk to me when this other one works fine for everyone else. "Why can't I just enter Dr. Hax's phone number and send him a text with the texting app that I use for everyone else?", they wonder.

So, to them, it's more confusing to have different apps. They don't see any difference between Signal and Messaging. And that was the beauty of the old Signal: they didn't have to know about these underlying security features. 

 Tbf sms is not that popular iny region, people mostly use whastapp. That may explain the different experience 

 Molly 💯

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 How would you compare this to SimpleX? 

 simplex is more private. signal and molly need a phone number, but simplex is less likely to have your family and friends sign up atm 

 Molly is looking to defentralize too which should be interesting 

 My choice is also Molly, but I am happy that I already got a lot of people talking to me on Signal, because I stopped using whatscrap years ago. Would  love to see more people on Simplex, but that is near impossible. People already forget me on Signal because I am the only one they are talking to on it 🙈. 

 Im going to give it a shot. Is there an Import option to bring my Signal data in? 

 awesome. yes, there is. 

 get it on accrescent for greater security and  unattended updates 🤙🏻

also, note, the migration should be done when the available Molly version is equal to or later than the currently installed Signal app version.

https://github.com/mollyim/mollyim-android/wiki/Migrating-From-Signal#migrating-from-signal 

 Yea, I just discovered the backup app version issue the hard way 😆
I guess I will have to wait for it to update. 

 #worthit 😉 

 GrapheneOS as a project entirely doesn't make recommendations, but Molly is one app that absolutely would be. Universally recommended and has little to no significant shortcomings when replacing Signal. One of the best. 

 Well the one shortcoming would be that there are even less users?! 

 I'll give it a look, thanks for the recommendation  

 Thank yoy for this recommendation 

 I have 450-500 contacts, and I constantly contact 30-40 of them. Molly/Signal users from my phone book is just 5, and those 5 users are out of my daily contacts.  

 it is sad that most people still don't know that their calls and sms's are unencrypted and should be treated as public record 

 i find it funny that even after all this time, there is nothing to keep people safe but to tell people to go get a vpn and even then you are still monitored because everything is tracking you ... 

i want to throw all my tech stuff out and move to nature. i am over it.  

 i hear you. still, it's important to understand that vpns are a good opsec tool, but they are not a set-it-and-forget-it panacea. 

 i understand 

 🫂 

 Does molly use signals servers ? 

 yes 

 I've started testing Molly, a "hardened" fork of Signal. So far I liked the Database Passphrase feature only that's important to me. Why don't Signal offer this feature?

Is Molly audited by any third party?

molly.im 
Thanks to @Ava. 

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 Awesome. Signal used to have the database passphrase feature, then they removed it.

RAM shredding and user set "automatic lock-down" timer are pretty damn cool too.

OFC Signal is audited, But Molly has not yet been 3rd party audited, but lot's of very smart privacy-security folks who work for and with GrapheneOS use it.

It's coming.

Here's Molly's lead dev speaking on that in Dec '23
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 @simplex is much more hardened though. If notifications, calls and messages work properly, both it's privacy and security is unparallel.  

 two versions. i recommend molly-foss 

 cool stufd. you can read up on the differences here: https://github.com/mollyim/mollyim-android