Oddbean new post about login | logout Stop making weird moral arguments about deleting posts. All I care about is not getting rekt, not some weird motion of "truth". This isn't a Blockchain. And you can lie on blockchains too.
*notion (I've edited this post and corrected the spelling but most clients won't show the updated version, hehe).
It does raise the question though, what is it about X etc. with a centralised DB that makes us think that something deleted is really actually deleted? Not sure if there is a way to truly be sure that you’re not rekt without controlling your stack.
You're right. Once a note is out there and signed, it can always be attributed to the sender, that's beautiful. But it doesn't make people more truthful. It just means you can't u do a mistake.
You can't say one thing and then later pretend you never said it. That's probably what most people mean? I get that point.
Maybe this can be resolved by pwning your own keys. Think “have I been pwnd” but a site where you “pwn me” which simple lists all know keys and therefore destroys any means of confirming if the owner of the keys was the actual individual. Literally you burn it down and rotate. But it risks previously encrypted information being leaked.
You let me know when "Truth" can be codified... Truth, like Titles is NOT a slip of paper that you get from the DMV...
Agree. Also the model which the internet generally introduced was permanence to consequence of actions. However, this is kinda flawed when you look at the reality of an individual. There needs to be an opportunity for growth and change. One persons young hotheaded know-it-all opinion from being a teenager shouldn’t prevent that persons view from changing in the future. This is much more a nuanced topic and less about getting rekt. Accuracy of attribution (via keys) = good Permanence (possible) of the internet = not always desirable Back on the rekt topic I wonder if we could have an agreed standard on deleting posts (NIP-09) and if you wanted to verify it you could perhaps have a site where you enter your event Id and it challenges all known relays looking for a copy. Noting that it is in a relays best interest to actually delete these events from a purely resource PoV. A more aggressive method may even be to spam relays with new events with an event then a delete event for it. It would likely force the relays hand to offload all ‘deleted’ content. But that is a very heavy handed.
If relays want to operate in the eu, long term. The GDPR law will hold them accountable to delete content on request of the npub-owner, or the responsible person/org will be fined heavily by the governments in the union. But yes, even outside that legal framework I still agree with your point.
If you have the nsec to sign something, then you should be able to sign something saying “this previous note is no longer valid”. Is that what you mean by delete?
I think this is already the case. Since it's possible to send delete requests.
many do not yet grok your last sentence there Calle. "And you can lie on blockchains, too." this fundamental truth is a foreign concept to shitcoiners who deceptively assign magical properties to the blockchains generally to fool people and organizations. sometimes this is done to shill for VC money. sometimes it's done to promote shitcoinery for some other self-serving motive. bottom line, the dishonesty of shitcoin shamans is universally harmful.
Maybe have a requested note lifetime tag for users to add, if they want. Like disapearinf messages in chats. nostr:nevent1qqsrykzu86tl4krka6ze3glrdlq5yfumphu4whj5zv5kalquhuumuycpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtczyraqzedq7xf0kr53clv8zrjh2u9dy7ehzh99yxqld3funvsr89c8xqcyqqqqqqggq8g2c