Pfft.
I'm more valuable than most women. WTF is she going to bring to the relationship? I don't see many people bothering to think about it that way.
I'm very generous with those that I believe are worth my time and, consequently, my money, but... Starting out with "I demand that you pay for this and do everything" shows an unhealthy ego and entitlement and that's really gross.
What a woman used to be entitled to and what women (in the west) are trending to demand are strangely coming together, but, without the mindset of a traditional woman, the expectation of entitlement is a hard no red flag.
Valuable women don't have to prove that they are valuable. Everyone knows it.
They bring themselves to the relationship.
Uh, no.
A valuable woman is confident in her worth, but, earning trust that one is actually a valuable woman requires either no effort (just being who you are) or an extraordinary amount of effort (overcoming any significant foibles).
Fully agree. A women that doesn't expect those things and that has no problem with splitting a bill or with a just a walk tells me she is a balanced and assertive person.
lol, a man that can’t offer to buy a women a meal is poor and worthless
Not necessarily, but that would be an immediate friend-zone, for me. That's just not the way a man behaves when he wants to show that he'd be a good husband.
A lot of men want a wife who isn't obsessed with her own career, but that woman is then dependent upon his generosity. She can't risk a charity case.
You women can judge men however you want. But as a man, a man who complains about paying for a woman’s meal is basically poor and worthless. A women’s time is worth more then a meal, and she’s being generous by wasting it hanging out with some random who wants to put their dick in her.
Buying a girl a dinner shouldn’t impact your wallet … at all. If you can’t afford a few dinner dates, you’re worthless as a man in this world.
Sorry, but if you’re born with a dick, that’s the game you play.
I'm trying to say it politely, but yeah.
We're the prize, guys. 🤷♀️
She doesn't know what she's bringing to the table. She just has a vague impression that there's a line of men who want to sit at that same table, in the chair you're sitting in.
And she's right. There is.
You’re not the prize. The children are. You’re the only way to get to having them. Women have the future of the specie in their hands (excluding when forced to procreate). In all honesty, they seem to be doing bit of a shitty job at it. Arrogance is rewarded, when value should. What is value? It depends on cultural context. There is no one fits all on the planet.
Wanna have kids guys? Understand the value a potential mother seeks.
I'm sorry, but if you just see women as talking wombs, why don't you just wait for factory-bred babies and skip the date?
or just adopt and raise them with your values.
What if he adopts a girl? 😬😱
The whole point here is if he can’t afford a few dinners, there’s no way he can afford to pass the bar for adoption, let alone afford the expense of a child. He’ll be complaining about all the kids demands to “eat” and “get toys”
I start to suspect you’re a dude.
I start to suspect that your commentary isn't worth reading, so I shall no longer read it.
Thank you for confirming my suspicions about you and your way of thinking. Have fun
Can you imagine his reaction, if he married a Talking Womb and then she was infertile?
His whole effort wasted. 🤷♀️
Married? 🤣 people still marry to have kids and family?
Q.E.D.
Why can you not accept that a man is willing to provide without marrying?
I’m sorry, but if you just see a man as a provider for the center of the universe (you) why don’t you just go find a job? The children are the prize. I wonder why wealthy men seem to cycle through multiple wives and just keep procreating? Wonder why some cultures accept polygamy as long as the men can provide equally to all wives? Nobody likes evolutionary psychology, and evolutionary psychology does not care.
If a man is complaining about paying for dinner, how can they afford the prize of a child? You wonder why wealthy men cycle through multiple wives, it’s because they can afford to do so.
Exactly. Not saying a man should not provide. Just saying the wife is not the prize, the children are. Growing human children takes a whole of time, that’s a whole lot of supporting to be done.
This.
How someone could think this is proof of the opposite, is beyond me.
How can people continuously put meaning in my words that simply was not there is beyond me? Because they are desperately attached to a point of view, and anything that threatens it must be dismantled, with or without logic.
Because apparently the world has gone crazy and lonely men think some intrinsic worth they have as men is defined as something other than their ability to provide for a family, and they can do that with something other than money.
Magic I suppose?
What Bitcoin has done is create a subclass of poor men who suddenly won the equivalent of the lottery. But many still think like poor men, scrounging and whining about minor costs and lacking in the most basic displays of generosity.
Money can't buy class.
Chivalry isn’t dead, but it is surely hard to find.
Yes, she's the prize.
Her worth determines the nature of the competition.
Her worth isn't determined in economic terms but neither is it intrinsic on account of being a female.
What she curates as her worth will determine what kind of men she attracts and therefore what kind of courtship challenge she gets to set..
It's hard to envisage this until you meet such a woman and they are really few and far between today.
I am abundantly blessed.
"A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies.
Her husband has full confidence in her and lacks nothing of value.
She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life."
Proverbs 31
'An excellent wife is the crown of her husband, but she who brings shame is like rottenness in his bones".
Proverbs 12
"House and wealth are inherited from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the LORD".
Proverbs 19
I mean, really, men are just saying that they go on dates with women they don't see as a prize. Women whose company they literally see as worth less than a plate of spaghetti and a glass of iced tea.
Okay, but then.... Why bother?
Cheap sex? Boredom? What is the point of the excersize?
By providing provision, he is also proving that he might offer protection because he thinks she's valuable. How much protection can she expect from someone who values her less than some 🍝?
I can say that my most successful outcome (my wife) is her own person with her own money. That‘s what I explictly looked for after learning about some of the other dependent types. I bring other things to the table than alpha-leadership, so I need some of that in her.
My "glamorous" job and assertive attitude was definitely something men who dated me found attractive. And it kept the jerks away.
Also, my elegant, neat apartment with wall-to-wall bookshelves full of nonfiction and classic literature in two languages. They'd walk in and be like OMG.
My husband is still impressed by me. I think he's looking forward to retiring early and living off my income. 😁 But I need a degree for that, or have to have my own business. Or both. 🤔
https://i.nostr.build/lL3MP.jpg
Both. Own at least yourself. e.g. 10% of a ten heads company.
Ah, extended partnership model. 🤔
If you’re so valuable, buying a women a meal to explore her personality and shouldn’t even register for your pocketbook.
You sound poor as fuck
Personality and attitude*
I would buy a woman dinner, but... Not if she's demanding that like I owe her something.
I am not wealthy monetarily. I doubt I ever will be. But that's not how I define one's worth.
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