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mIX | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Why not V4V? Let the customer set the value that they get, and remind them to send something in return. The reminder is important and also an easy way to send value (built into Nostr thankfully). Happy to support things I like.
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Vitor Pamplona | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 V4V depends on users. If V4V worked, no one would be thinking about other business models. It could work, but people must actually go for it.
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mIX | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Similar to the deprogramming of users from social media algos, it will take time for people to understand V4V. Support the things you love or they go away. I would be happier to support in a voluntary way, instead of the "pay or get out" Costco model.
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Vitor Pamplona | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 Nice! You seem to be far ahead of other users. If you don't mind me asking, how much have you donated to your favorite Nostr projects to date? I could use that amount in a model to see if it is viable.
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mIX | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Sorry, I didn't see your reply till today. Then I wrote a reply and it got erased, so here I go again. 😆

True V4V is you putting out a product and just ask people to send what it's worth to them. Again the key is that you have to remind them to support you. I get that this idea is hard to start out with cuz you don't know what you're going to get for the first while, but a lot of people seem to find at least some success with it. It's a big world out there with millions of potential users.

Most businesses have never even thought of doing things this way because they're so tied into the fiat payment system where the fees cost much more and payments aren't frictionless. Micro payments will be a game changer once people catch on.

Currently I pay for multiple paid relays, subscribe to Snort (now that their website works again for me), pay a yearly subscription for nostr.build and give to other projects like NoBSBitcoin and lightning wallets that I use. I also try to zap people that put in solid effort on  technically detailed notes.

(Just have to say, the @nostr.build integration with Amethyst is amazing. Love that I can just post a picture on Amethyst and it'll drop it right into my nostr.build account).

When thinking about paying for monthly subscriptions I would likely put it this way. If the subscription was $2 a month for a project I like and use I would subscribe right away. If it was $5 it would have to be something I want to use fairly often. If it was $10+ it would have to be something I use all the time and it's a worthwhile to have.  (Should note I'm in Canada where our dollar is worth .75 cents on the US dollar, which can be brutal...)

I'd rather pay for a year in some cases when I'm all in on a product/service, as chasing monthly subscriptions can be a pain.

Sometimes I just want to support with a zap when a feature is added or I'm just really impressed with how a service works.

There are so many variables in this, of course. I support podcasts and other things with donations as well. Been using V4V for many years now.

Of course I can only give so much, so I do have to prioritise funding V4V projects at some point. Which is where the Costco model can remove people who may occasionally give bigger amounts when they have more spare.

I should add that I have noticed that a lot of Nostr projects do not have an "out in the open" way to support their project (badges.page and Amethyst *cough* come to mind). Having a link on the website or app would go a long way. 😉

Sometimes I'm not sure if zapping a specific dev profile is best way or if it should go into a project fund. Some are more transparent than others on how they split or use funds. In podcasting you can see the splits, which is nice.

Not sure if that helps, but I try in my small way to support the things I love. 💜 If a project can't get support, I guess it's just not meant to be.



I'm the guy that goes to a band's website trying to buy a digital album, and now they won't sell one to me... cause they're streaming only. Stupid streaming bs... I own a large music collection, want a personal digital copy, and want to give musicians money directly so they can make more!

It's insane to me that I cannot give money to someone directly, but have to go through a third party streaming service that sucks all of the bands profit out of it. It's the one thing that is missing from V4V music, the direct sales. I'd still zap and buy.
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stavros | 9 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Social media networking is currently undercut by the freemium models of FB and others. Evidently all those who use it don't care and are unlikely to ever see a point in paying in the foreseeable future.