But who uses it? That's always the problem with messengers. Getting people onto Signal is hard enough. I'm not totally sure how to even say that name. It seems niche and that's fine, but WhatsApp has a network effect, and Signal is so easy that normies don't have to think about it. Frankly, I've largely given up on trying to convert people, especially after the Signal SMS rug pull on Android. Of course, I'm in the US where SMS still dominates, so it was easier to convince most of the people I know to use it as default app (most of them have uninstalled and went back to SMS).

I have like six friends on Signal (one is my wife) and it took a lot of work to get that many. Lol The messenger things feels hopeless to me. We need an industry standard that works seamlessly across platforms.

/end rant that is hardly relevant to your post 

 Not that's fine and all good points and you are completely right.

However, when it matters and you have a fren that wants to talk without needing to trust a corporation, you should keep technologies like 0xChat in mind.

I'm using it to talk to a few frens as well as run a non-dom relocation group.

Also consider SimpleX if you want anonymity.
 

 I do agree with the corporation point. My primary issue with Signal is that it isn't at all simple to self-host even, and if you do, you're essentially disconnected from everyone who uses Signal. It would be cool if they had a way to add someone's self-hosted server when adding a person in Signal. So the app would connect to that instance with that person. But then you do have the domain issue and all that. Maybe a bunch of different apps for different cases is the best scenario we will ever have. 

 I guess it's like a builders tool box, he has different specialised tools to do each type of job. 

 I will definitely look into both though and see if I can get some Nostr peeps to use it with me. Silos like that probably is the future anyway, unfortunately. It's the only way I can see to keep things decentralized. 

 Any advantage to it over using a more generic Nostr client to send GiftWrapped DMs? 

 Gift wrapping is the important bit, so any client that does this is fine.

0xChat does allow for “Groups” to be created, but again if a different client supports this then use that.

That’s the beauty of a protocol, you find the client that does what you want, how you want.