Can I join your relay? 

 fell free to join, but ideally you should build your own, since the Web of trust is "centered" on you and your friends. (in the case of my relay, me and my friends).
 

 I also have a public relay where i managed to filter the spammer for the time being, if you wish to join it too: wss://nostr.girino.org
 

 Hmm…. wot.nodestrich.com for the group to use? 

 Someone want to help me launch this? 

 Need to take a peek at the github a bit more, to understand it. Would want to run it off-node. 

 Can I just run it on a shared hosting webserver? 

 Sure could. Not sure how quickly storage would be eaten up, given it’s storing notes though. 🤷‍♂️ 

 If someone can help me estimate bandwidth and storage costs I could probably figure out what we’d need. 

 I’ve not been in the relay game, so it might take reaching out to another relay runner for those details. 

 @Derek Ross @YEGHRO What should we do? 

 Hey buddy

You need a 2 core 2 gig ram VM with like 100gb of space  

 that much space? I think 20 or 30 would be enough to last for a few years… 

 I bet after one day you're already at a gig

I'm gonna build something to be able to purge old reactions notes tho 

 143M   after almost 24 hours (more like 20 hours). Maybe i have too few friends? :-D 

 How big is your trust network? Mine is doing 1gb per day 

 wot-relay  | 2024/09/08 12:58:50 🫂  network size: 10057
wot-relay  | 2024/09/08 12:58:50 🔗 relays discovered: 150
wot-relay  | 2024/09/08 12:58:50 🌐 updating trust network filter with 10057 keys
wot-relay  | 2024/09/08 12:58:50 📦 archiving trusted notes. 

 Hmmm my network size is 60,000 so that would explain it lol

Maybe it's roughly 150mb/day/10,000 peers 

 that's probably highly compressable. This should be reduced by half or more if stored in a compressed filesystem 

 So it would probably have to be a VPS. My hosting company has a 60GB and 130GB option. Starting at $15/mo on an annual plan. If anyone has a better recommendation I’ll take a look. I’m not trying to spend a ton of money right now. 

 I’ve got a VPS with a site on it that I haven’t looked at in a while. I think it’s minimal specs, but I’ll see what it is. 

 I can always redirect a subdomain to another server so if you or anyone else in the group wants to run it that’s an option. 

 hah. Only 8GB storage left, out of 25. So I’d be looking at something else. I’ll look at what my provider offers. I think the challenge is finding enough disk space and still being economical. 

 look at Lowendbox blog or lowendtalk forums. they have some very cheap options there (like 4 dollars a month or 30 dollars a year) 

 Stats for the price look pretty good there, on a couple providers. The challenge is the storage is pretty low. Not sure how we’d add storage as we filled it up. 

 check those offers here: https://www.racknerd.com/BlackFriday/
there's one vps with 2 vCPU, 80 GB SSD, 4 GB RAM for 38.88/year. 
 

 Bandwidth seems to be very low but I haven’t measured yet (I run it at home, in my raspberry pi, and it Doesnt seem to interfere with my internet speed at all). As for space, it’s using just a few megabytes for now. I estimate it won’t go over 5GB/year For the wot Relay. 

 Great datapoint, thanks. That’s with just you as the only user? Or are there others? 

 me and a couple of friends. 5 users at most. 

 Use my WoT relay and utxo's WoT relay and paid relays. 

 Which WoT relay is yours?  Would hosting my own with myself as the only allowed npub also help (in addition to paid relays)? 

 that's what i do. i have mine running on a raspberry pi at home. 

 What relay are you using? I’ll see about setting on up on one of my Rpi’s here. 

 @The: Daniel⚡️ I’d say that’s what we start with. We can fire something up later, if need be? 

 Can we just clone one of these relays and run it under the nodestrich.com domain? 

 I’d assume so. I do have that relay running on a teeny VPS, but I don’t know what else needs to be done to make sure all Nostriches can use it. 

 I’ve never run a wot relay before and it sounds interesting. I currently have 2 relays running. Nostream and strfry,  Ive created filters to block unwanted things and have little issue with excess spam. But spammer get clever and I think I’d like to test out a WOT relay. 

So I’m considering just hosting one for the nodestrich community to see how it goes. 

An experiment if you will.  Let me know what you think. 

 I would love it if you would and I’m sure we could get some contributions to cover the expenses. 

 I’ll look into different options of WoT relays and choose one to get up and running. Once I feel ready I’ll let you know and we can figure out the the dns and domain name routining so that the site address is wotrelayname.nodestrich.com. 

 It might be a stupid question but how do I use wot-relay?

Say I created one. 
Do i add it to my relays? I still have multiple so the benefit is not to miss notes on mw wot.
To block spam it would have to be the only inbox relay I am using.
But that effect would be zeroed by outbox model.

I am mighty confused.
@utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 how do you intend to use it?

#asknostr 

 use only wot and paid relays for "read" and use public relays for "write only" relays. (all clients i have allow me to make that distinction) 

 geez, is Damus the only client that is so much behind :( 

 They are a very small team with a long feature backlog. 

 Even if one has no experience doing this sort of thing I assure everyone reading that this relay is so easy to set up and run a mouthbreathing mongoloid with a sub 0 IQ could be coaxed to get it running. 

 That’s me… /opensmouthtobreath… 

 Trying to wrap my head around this.

I’ve seen several people recommend a WOT solution and now you indicating it’s best to build your own since I would be at the center.

Can you elaborate a bit more?

Transparently I’m just trying to get the hang of coms on nostr and still need to build out my followers so to speak…so diving into creating my own Linux based WOT is 🤯 at the moment.

Is a WOT basically a relay with me at the center and only the people I’m connected to? And their connections? (So like 3 levels deep) 

What if one of them is connected to moron 1 and moron 2 (aka replyguy/gal) that defeats the WOT right?! 

 You can use WoT from other people, but you not being the center means you might not get posts from some of the people you follow.

This can be minimized by using several WoT relays, from several people, maximizing the chance you have all your friends covered. Bu still, the best solution is to use your own.

About one of them connected to a moron, you just need to block the moron on your client. The problem we try to solve is not morons, but spam. If the spammer makes into the Wot, you just block him. If he creates a new key/user, he will no longer be in the WoT. 

 I appreciate your time replying.

So if I dive into this WOT hosting thing…

I basically want to ensure I have all my current friends npubs (which isn’t many as I’m just starting) documented so I can add them to my wot relay?

Then it also probably makes sense to keep a core relay or two like Damus and Primal as to ensure I can see “new content” from people I’m not yet friends with. Correct? 

 just add your own pub key (not the npub, the "hex" version, use a site like https://nostrcheck.me/converter/ to convert npub to hex). The WoT-relay will fetch your friends and friends of friends addresses automatically. 

 Got it. Will test it out later today.

Just to clarify for my brain, how will I then discover new people?

(Ie will the Damus and Primal “feeds” still populate “latest” posts etc if they are not in my WOT) 

 What are the ways for us Mac guys to run a relay, in particular WOT? 

 i'm guessing you can "brew install golang" and just follow the same instructions?

If now, use Docker... 

 I’m limiting my relay set to paid, whitelisted, and web of trust (WoT). 

 It’s going to come down to web of trust.