Oddbean

This is a clusterfuck. Just use SimpleX. SimpleX can be integrated with nostr for some good UX without much effort: - Users create a public SimpleX address, this contains an X25519 DH key. - The DH key (just the DH key, no server information) gets published on the user's nostr profile, there will be a field for that. The profile is digitally signed by the user's nostr public key so no mistaken identities here. - All nostr relays act as SimpleX servers. - When sending a message to the user, the nostr client will probe all known relays to see whether there is a SimpleX queue that accepts the DH key (discovery process). - nostr client hands DH key and server information to the SimpleX app.

I don't have any technical knowledge. But still I boost it. Waiting for @simplex to be integrated into #nostr protocol. nostr:nevent1qqs82znxmjm62lwp57ljweh3yvz2ssrj3c9p0wetyjqzyregz5cfazcpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmqzyprmuze238a25e4u2l6uv7fqxjrd53txq22uk0dnctec7jlgmzqkuqcyqqqqqqg5gnlh0

It was discussed. SimpleX is extremely complicated. It's barely maintained. For example, for JS there is https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplexmq-js - but as per SimpleX founder words, it's abandoned and represents less than 5% of required code. For comparison, full NIP-44 js implementation fits in just ~100 lines. SimpleX is not a solution for nostr. Integrating simplex server functionality into relays is also extremely complicated. If you think you can do this - submit a proposal, and write some code, but it doesn't seem to be worth it.

Don't implement yourself, use the actual SimpleX client and server. "Each relay becomes a SimpleX server" means the relay and server are on the same host, different ports. The server may need some modification to allow for the discovery process I'm proposing. SimpleX seems to be well maintained according to the commit log, just the .js isn't. "We're sacrificing almost all the values we stand for because it's all we could do in 100 lines" isn't a great message.

> We're sacrificing almost all the values we stand for I'm not sure what are you talking about. SimpleX is not a silver bullet. It's trivially decrypt-able by quantum computers. It's also not popular, which means, if/when it becomes popular, only then we'll see how it holds up. Again - if you think simplex would work - go ahead and implement it. If you can convince the community your solution is better, everyone will switch to it. nostr is open for everyone. We're just a bunch of folks who've spent some time on the issue we thought was important. No one paid us for it.