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 I would like some discussion. 

In my eyes these are the top 4 best villains of all time. 

Oddly enough all 4 are from 2 franchises. 

Thoughts? https://i.nostr.build/AVWO.webp https://i.nostr.build/nEXa.jpg https://i.nostr.build/0loM.png https://i.nostr.build/2WAX.webp  
 Your American is showing. 
 Can't agree. A great villian, for me, should have emotional complexity/conflict and know right from wrong but consciously choose wrong. Walter White is great. Ledger's Joker's insanity masks complexity and a sense of right and wrong (Phoenix's is better) and Kane's anger mutes his. They're caricatures of villains, despite their exciting portrayals. My litmus test is weird and subjective so I get it if you find it too limiting. 
 Who is the last one? Looks like Jameson Lopp 
 😂😂😂 The Mandarin from Iron Man 3. @Jameson Lopp I know what you’re doing for halloween next year 
 Hans Gruber, mate, an exceptional thief. 
 Are we talking joker in general? Or specifically Heath Ledger’s interpretation? 
 Half.
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 For me, specifically Heath Ledger’s 
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