Oddbean new post about login | logout Bitcoin is all about extreme market economy. And I love that. ❤️ And If you want to call it ”progressive” be my guest.
Bitcoin isn’t any one thing. Bitcoin is a tool, and I believe one that champions of progressive values can utilize to bring about greater purchasing power, property rights, self-sovereignty, and community led change. Bitcoin as a tool for those in marginalized communities, I mean come on when are folks going to wake up and see that?! Hopefully soon.
It is as perfect money we’ve ever seen. And that is not compatible with leftist ideology. It just isn’t.
Is totalitarian communism the only “leftist” ideology you see? …
No. There is fascism and national socialism too.
Fascism is not left Well anyway I’m speaking about values and not getting too bogged down in historical systems. The future I want is decentralized and I don’t think any government organizing has done this or cares to at this point. We’re ushering in a new era and we can all work together on this 🤝
It is collectivism, you cannot deny that even If you want to call it ”extreme right”. As national socialism As communism. As socialism in general. Bitcoin is individualism and voluntary cooperation. VOLUNTARY.
The left has rich ideals of community. But both the right and left in governments have used force, control, power. I prefer centralized v decentralized. This is the new era we are in. I appreciate @walker and @ODELL for beating those drums, even if I may not agree with them politically on everything doesn’t matter. They’re right that the battle is not right v left It’s centralized v decentralized. Orange v green (not as crazy about that analogy but I’ll take it)
The consequences of a fully applied bitcoin economy is a night mare for socialists. So If you define yourself as a socialist(in the standard definition of it) then you would not appreciate the consequences. But If you think like Ayn Rand and for some reason want to call yourself ”socialist”, then you would.
Why is it so hard to understand that we can have BOTH sound money and strong social programs? This is not an either/or.
It is possible only and only in a society were all the citizens are devout socialists. And maybe there will evolve such societies. I will NOT inhabit such a place.
Strong disagree. But hopefully we get a chance to find out.
What do you disagree with? That I in a world based on the bitcoin standard won’t inhabit a socialist society? Or that maybe there will exist such societies?
That it requires 100% devout socialism to enact any social programs. It only takes 51% of people to want SOME social programs (roads, sewers, firefighters, education, probably military, maybe healthcare if we’re lucky) and to vote for them. With sound money governments can’t print money (inflation is essentially an invisible tax on the poor and disenfranchised anyway), so the only other option is to enact taxes (ideally on the rich) to pay for the programs. I’m not talking “socialize all means of production” here. Hopefully, we’ll have a Bitcoin standard in our lifetime. It’ll be a rough transition and there will be turmoil and upheaval. But when the dust settles, we’ll see if/how people will choose to take care of each other. I’m an optimist. I think people will choose to take care of each other.
You don’t hear yourself, do you? Tax ”ideally the rich”….. because the tyranny of 51% And when the last ”rich” has abandoned your precious ”just” society, what will you do then? I know, you just close the borders for the remaining ”rich” who are not showing enough ”solidarity” for ”the cause”.. Socialism is evil. Fuck it. Bitcoin fixes this.
So I was right. We strongly disagree. We’ll see.
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Yes. I despise socialism. And I feel sorry for people that believe in this EVIL ideology.
With sound money 1) you can’t know exactly how rich someone is who doesn’t want to share that information with you voluntarily, 2) you can’t force anyone, rich or poor, to involuntarily pay taxes they don’t want to pay. So how does your system work then, if not he rich your system wants to tax says “no” other than centralizing the power to…oh, Idunno, say 51%, to force them? Tell me, then what do you have?