Not looking for a debate neither, but why isn't migration a positive concept that helps the development of the country? Because people living in it are afraid of change, racists or just haters of the Other? EU has a responsibility not only towards the member countries but also towards the people turning away from armed conflicts, poverty and corruption, at least that is one of issues on the table. I know americans build the sense of self and moral judgement on nationalism, but that is just one way of looking at things. Why can't we be sailors of the land sharing our each unique offering? I know this framed, 4d, image driven era has turned us into brands from individual level, to corporate level, to state level, but most are devoided of truth and the shitty part is that we are training the collective intelligence through these exchanges at human scale.
To question whether people opposing migration (sic) are either "afraid of change," "racist" etc is definitely not helpful. Just saying... 🫂
I see your point but this is just semantics. You say we shouldn't fight hate speech with hate speech and I agree. But I think we should call things as they are. People denying other people the right to escape from distructive circumstances are not good people and I will call it as such. I have lived and seen how people in Africa, Middle East and Asia are being denied the right to move around the world or worst, to seek for their children a better life than the one they have been born in. The empires, the "civilized" countries think they are entitled to occupy territories, exploit their resources, make political agreements with their leaders and not grant them visas. Politicians made life not fair for these people with their engagement in territorial conflicts and people living in confort zones get informed from tv about them which accentuates discrimination and the sense on insecurity. My point is we have gone to far with focusing so much on words that we no longer see the facts. Some people should ripe what they saw✌️💕
No, dear Vera. 1) It's not just semantics 2) opposing immigration is definitely not "hate speech" 3) Opposing immigration is not denying other people their undeniable right to escape their bad life circumstances. 4) Opposing immigration is not being a bad person. These mis-characterisations are not helpful.
This isn’t a debate on immigration, it’s highlighting how politicians say one thing and do another. No doubt folks can change their mind, but to do so with such speed on a cornerstone of their campaign is inexcusable. Folks who voted for her bought xxx and got inverse xxx.
That's a great analogy you made. People who voted BOUGHT something. Well I thought politicians, as leaders of different groups, are supposed to show a better way, to do their work so that different aspects of communal life get simplified, harmonized so that people can develop themselves while supporting progress inside this shared environments. You complain that politicians have no spine but I say that it's exactly this approach that turns them into performers onto a political scene that owe us something while we waste our lives with our eyes stuck on they show pointing fingers and feeling entitled to receive from them a better life. We have lost the notion of what authority truly is with all these clowns playing power games. I say a leader must follow the truth and be able to change the position when needed. People should vote for leaders, not individuals who satisfy their egos.
That’s…a lot of words. Just a few in response. It’s like increasing BTC supply past 21m once the entire financial system adopts the bitcoin standard. It’s a rug pull.
If immigrants accept lower working conditions, it negatively effects the already employed natives. Any employer would rather a more dependable employee at half the salary. Natives could always capitalize, start their own business, take advantage of cheap labour, but not everyone is capable of doing so, for various reasons. Mostly a bureaucracy problem IMO. Immigrants are more limited in what they can do, so they'll always accept worse conditions. Natives can't necessary exploit cheap labor. So it furthers inequality, and the poors have to deal with a different culture they might not like.
All very fiat. 😒😒
Native Americans should feel lucky illegal immigrants showed up on their land. See how much better they made it for the locals.
Idem au sein de l'Europe le Migrant qu'il soit d'origine de la Grèce, du Portugal de l'Espagne, Roumanie.. rencontrait des difficultés dans nombreux pays européeens plus aisés, leurs intégrations étaient aussi très complexes et ils occupaient les métiers que personne ne voulait dans les pays accueillants par défaut cette xénophobie mise sous le compte de *l'immigration* demeure de rigueur dont certains ont exportée vers d'autres contrées où ils se établies.. Arrivés établis ailleurs certains ont quand joué d'une certaine force pour s'établir sur des terres qui n'étaient pas les leurs...Ce sentiments de superiorite élitiste persiste toujours dans nos sociétés que nous appelons *civilisées* évoluées.. Avez vous eu l'opportunité de visiter le musée de l'immigration ou appris l'hidtotoure de l'immigration !? Qu'entendez vous par la préservation culture ou d'une *race dans notre monde actuel !?, ces termes me hérissent...!?
*histoire de l'immigration * désolée pour la béquille
Hi Ava, myself I haven t visited any museum on this topic but I lived for 6 months in Senegal and I found how difficult is for people to exit the continenent. How colonial life has affected them and still does. And mostly I realized that despite being able to speak french with them thanks to the colonists: "education", I learned the most when they showed me how deeply they understand human dynamics beyond words, how their perception is much more developed when it comes to the other, to their needs and feelings. Also I come from Romania which indeed is an interesting case of colonisation and how UE migration is affecting the country because we have the second percentage as emigration after Syria. Also we have been occupied by Romans, Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, and living together with Roma people(indians) for more than 700 years. This is biodiversity even if people are not happy with their circumstances. Also I stayed for 3 weeks in a detention center(prison) in Turkey for illegaly crossing borders(even if my case was just a system error) and I have met there women and children from Syria, Afghanistan , Irak, Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and they created for me a large picture on this immigration matter. Also i did my research on cultural anthropology so the preservation of cultural heritage is a long and interesting topic for some other time:). Nice to meet you and have a lovely evening🌛💗
Quel parcours que vous avez pu synthétisé en quelques lignes j'aurais aimé vous rencontrer pour échanger plus en profondeur puisque dans mon métier avant d'initier l'accompagnement vers des projets de reconversion socioprofessionnel, je passe par aider le candidat à retracer son histoire de vie ce qui peut être aidante pour un individu pour vraiment déterminer enfin son propre de vie surtout après certains accidents de la vie où il se retrouve perdu et se sent incapable de definir un projet adapté à sa situation ( nouveau départ). Si un jour vous venez à Paris il y a le musée de l'immigration près du Bois de Vincennes à New-York à Ellis Port...
there's a dirty libertarian secret here: countries will always need people who don't pay taxes.
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Well this is twisted rhetoric .Taking an excerpt of a text that promotes shared humanity and cooperation and openess beyond nationality and transform it into a message of hate against people who oppose that. :) Unfortunately you perspective is very liniar, as you very nicely put it- a, b, c ,d :))
I also think we should reserve words like 'racism' for extreme cases to maintain their gravity. Opposing immigration isn't necessarily racist even if it's about preserving culture and resources.
Shaming vis a vis “your a barbarian” argument, assigning responsibility from one’s local responsibility to a greater (global) one is quite Davos of Vera. Lady de Rockefeller, is that you?
“A false argument should be refuted, not named. That's the basic idea behind freedom of speech. Arguments by name-calling, rather than truth and light, can generally be presumed fraudulent.” Ann Coulter
Sure you can think whatever you want to think. What I think is that the overall feedback to my view feels like an organic language processing algorithm cutting bits of an image and highlighting on a dark spot therefore losing the meaning of the message. I expressed a feeling of solidarity for the refugees together with sadness for the way we put abusive regulations between each other and blocking the natural flow of information, experience and feeling that every nationality developed in it's unique way. I don t wish to fight "racists", but to protect people's natural rights. Labels do no good, indeed, but how are we to point to the roots of problems if people nowadays hide behind words? Love 💕
Shaming vis a vis “your a barbarian” argument, assigning responsibility from one’s local responsibility to a greater (global) one is quite Davos of Vera. Lady de Rockefeller, is that you?
“A false argument should be refuted, not named. That's the basic idea behind freedom of speech. Arguments by name-calling, rather than truth and light, can generally be presumed fraudulent.” Ann Coulter
Well this is twisted rhetoric .Taking an excerpt of a text that promotes shared humanity and cooperation and openess beyond nationality and transform it into a message of hate against people who oppose that. :) Unfortunately you perspective is very liniar, as you very nicely put it- a, b, c ,d :))