I also read YANAG back in the day. I often don't like or don't agree with Lanier's weird framings but i find them very valuable anyway.

Recently i heard this discussion. It was pretty good.

https://youtu.be/qbLSlzTp-Jc?si=I_FI9axiath24Ibs 

 I've never heard of Yanag before. I'll check him out.

I also don't like or agree with Lanier on everything either. For one thing, he's a no-coiner. 🤮