Oddbean new post about login | logout Why do we connect/publish to so many relays? It seems like an absolute waste of bandwidth, storage, processing when probably no one here is being censored. Not a good tradeoff in my view: it directly leads to worse UX, which directly leads to less adoption. #asknostr
for the best performance, we probably only need something like 3-5 relays. many of us use too many relays, me included. once we have Outbox everywhere, i feel that we can dial back the amount of relays used.
Is outbox anywhere close to be included in other clients btw? What about nostr:nprofile1qqsraldwhvwcjgltmxwfu7kw8dqef2692yhzheuurd7k3kfy8cxjdqgpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3samnwvaz7tmhv4kxxmmdv5hxummnw3ezuamfdejsz9thwden5te0v4jx2m3wdehhxarj9ekxzmnype9f6h and nostr:nprofile1qqs9xtvrphl7p8qnua0gk9zusft33lqjkqqr7cwkr6g8wusu0lle8jcpp3mhxue69uhkyunz9e5k7qg4waehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvsqs6amnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0ds2g5zx8 ?
Outbox will make this problem even worse
No it won't. REQs will only have specific authors so tons less bandwidth for more connections. This removes the issue of downloading duplicate notes which is what really kills bandwidth and relay compute . And users don't have to manage any relays
True but I still don't see how connecting to a ton of smaller relays from a client will result in user experience matching/exceeding centralized services. My hunch is this will have to be solved server side and with trust
I think eventually main way to consume notes will be using relay feeds like what we're working on at wss://algo.utxo.one (you can try at https://jouble.surge.sh/ on desktop) Pick specific algorithmic feeds vs simply composing chronological follow feeds
Why 3-5? I'm arguing for one relay per user, and probably out of a set of popular ones. When you aggregate relays in an outbox model, you want to connect to as few as possible. The more relays the worse UX. This is how we lose. An interesting alternative is to have relays that work as aggregators like filter.nostr.wine
Because of different relay types and use cases for each kind. Ie inbox, outbox, search, backup, and private.
Sure. I am referring to relays to write notes to
I gotchu. I would then say that 2-3 would be good for most then. Most people would want a backup, anti-rug proof.
But there’s like a thousand, which 3-5 to pick?
Clients will get there, current way isn't the way nostr is supposed to work
How is it supposed to work, outbox?
Inbox/outbox yes