Oddbean new post about login | logout Hopefully the pour guy has enough Monero to opt out. nostr:nevent1qqszcmurhree705a5z9566ukr9dvrtqu84cttdu0kmcg88efsf4xhzcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43z7q3q0wv37amdqnv8edw5yktgsxr62g8k4lqkk2u66fk6c6uwuakzssxsxpqqqqqqzkjftmk
Monero is opting into being poor
Monero is for the blind low IQ npc
Yeah, but it does have utility. You don’t have to believe USD is the ultimate end game solution to make use of it for a moment to buy some groceries. Same with monero.
There are very few Monero maxis like there are Bitcoin maxis. Usually they're pragmatic and honest about the trade-offs. Unlike Bitcoin Maxis.
The fantastic thing about the Monero community is that they all have the same goal which is freedom and privacy. Bitcoin is mostly about 100k, NGU, state partnerships, love hedge investors and banks
And at the end they will pay the price for that, unfortunately. I really saw many many Bitcoiners move to Monero or they accept them both now as important tools. It's never good to be closed minded and build anger and walls around something like Cryptos. You should build that walls around your privacy and freedom and don't put them in the game which is hard to win with something like Bitcoin in the current state.
Yeah I don't really understand why the two camps don't like each other honestly, sure you will focus on one more than the other but ultimately they both have a similar idea in mind and a similar goal of being used to free people monetarily. I don't hate BTC or XMR I find maximalism to be similar political zealots who make their entire personality their political views. I like both. I'll use both. If you love BTC cool, If you love XMR cool. If you hate both also cool, it's your money to do with what you want.
With that being said I think everyone has been a bit of zealot at times. I have and I regret it honestly.
Mainvolume has not! Let alone me. 🥋
Can’t take responsibility for social media cached operations though.
Yeah, I think that's accurate. I get on these threads and get autistic because I think it's about critical thinking in the end. Critical thinking and preparing for adversarial situations is how we got here. If you approach it like a religion, it's all about Bitcoin, Bitcoin is inevitable, perfect and infallible and everything else is garbage then you give up that critical thinking which is necessary for freedom. That attitude to be the biggest threat to regaining the freedom we lost to the fiat system. iow bitcoin maximalism is an attack on Bitcoin.
I can tell you why. Privacy is against mass adoption is against hedge fonds and banks. This are two different fronts. Ppl want to see 100k and are against everything that can stop the course. No smart hedge fond manager or CEO from a bank will invest millions USD in a asset which can maybe bring some troubles or uncertainty because if regulations. Can you use Bitcoin in a private way? Absolutely but you have to do a lot of homework. You have to learn the UTXO concept, have to learn how to use Lightning with best privacy practices which is not easy and so on. Don't trust some dudes or devs with their opinions, the most of them want to make money, they jump on the train to 100k. When it comes to Bitcoin projects you have to do a lot of research, who is behind projects, why they are doing it, who are the investors etc. You could write a book about it 😂 nostr:nevent1qqsrenx4ry8q3rcgcj2xjpag7ffemldqak97nxay5a408x056u56h6cpzamhxue69uhhsmtj9e6hxetwdaehgu3wdaexwtczyzl5r0kv3qc7wv2an2vls0c3dyyejczlhdv5ws357zg6v9snm3vezqcyqqqqqqgejmu2t
Monero side really doesn't care about BTC until the maxis larp about having "freedom". That is when you sound the horn of war. Many of us were early bitcoin adopters, it is just awful to see how bitcoin today goes against the monetary freedom that a cryptocurrency should bring. It isn't about monero as a religion that is the "right choice", it is about the tools that deliver privacy and freedom to safeguard your economic choices. The moment potentially better options arrive, they should be tested and considered. Heck, each one here should be doing their best to push forward better tech for the sake of our common future.
I don't think so tbh. If you need a way for privacy payments Monero helps a lot and that on a stress free way. And Icknow many BTC maxis which uses Moneronmvbut they would never admit it in thecpublic for reasons. With the fall of the last privacy fighters for Bitcoin Monero has won a lot if attraction. We see that also in many online shops. Monero goes up & up as payment method. To be against Monero means that you are against privacy. To be against Monero also means that you are against currency freedom.
This argument might work against many people except devs who work on joinmarket implementations, sorry sir You can't call yourself a freedom fighter then be forced to follow every Monero hard fork, that's what the sheep do If you want to learn more about how to make me private txns with lightning and ecash I will help you
Joinmarket brings nearly none privacy. If you know Joinmarket Sudoku you would route around it . the only working coinjoin solution was Whirlpool. I do not force someone into something. I'm just against currency dicatorship. Ppl should have the choice what they are use as payment method. And again, I'm not a Monero maxi and I'm not a Bitcoin maxi. My company holds every money in BTC and Monero and 0 fiat.
This is what I think is the "freedom" you're talking about. Choosing the way you make payments or how you use your properties. Monero is a tools, just like Bitcoin, and both have negative points.
I thought freedom was that you could run any software you want and develop any software you want. not that development completely ceases. I guess freedom is just one chain without any development, but you're free to run any software on top of it. I see. THATS what freedom is.
Do you 100% agree with every single decision Bitcoin Core as made? No. Unless you're a blind sheep yourself. There are decisions they've made in the code you don't understand technically or don't know about at all, yet you still run their software. Nothing "forces" you to follow a fork the same way nothing "forces" you to use Bitcoin. It's an open permissionless system. You can swap, fork, or leave crypto completely the moment you disagree and can't be stopped by anyone. Ability to exit is what is important.
Lightning privacy is much, and to use it is much. Ecash is custodial which means it is an absolute NoGO for me and my company. The usage of LN in general is super super low and that since the existence of LN. You can check the numbers from many online shops. Privacy seeking ppl use Monero. I see that with the Mynymbox customers.
If your primal objective with crypto is become rich rather being anonymous then something is wrong with your principles
Primary objective is to be sovereign. Which includes running the node I choose. I know how to use Bitcoin privately when I need to, it's truly not hard. Sometimes I zap in public, sometimes I buy in private, it's my choice
How can you be "sovereign" if you value your BTCs based on fiat speculations, like most hodlers do?
Does Monero not have a market price? I fail to see how this applies to Bitcoin but not monero Do Monero users not make purchases based on the current exchange rate? Are you asserting that if you participate in the market you are therefore not sovereign? But to answer your question directly, I am sovereign because I hold my own keys and I broadcast my own transactions and I audit the supply of coins without any third parties, using node software I've selected. If Bitcoin core updates to a new version tomorrow and I don't like it, I am not forced to use it
anonymity is not a goal, anonymity is a tool. What you said is exactly like saying your primal objective with woodworking is using a hammer. Doesn't make any sense.
"anonymity is not a goal, anonymity is a tool" As expected, Bitcoin maxis always relativizing the natural right of privacy inherent to all humans
As expected, people with too much ego passive aggressively assuming that if you disagree with them you must be fit in some made up group they despise! Sorry dude, you couldn't be more wrong with this "bitcoin maxis" thing :-D
I'm just trying to make a point: anonymity is a natural right to any human being, therefore half-privacy is contradictory. When Bob and Alice make a transaction there's no reason to an outsider entity (like a government agent) know about this transaction
I see your point but its more than that I think. without private wealth you don't really *own* your assets. because they can be taken from you by force. Privacy is a necessary condition of ownership in a hostile environment. as Mr nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrfw3jhxtn0wfnszynhwden5te0wahhgtn4w3ux7tn0dejszxthwden5te0wdjkuerfwshxummnvekxzun99e3k7mgrcp7e2 has pointed out ad infinitum, no privacy, no wealth, no wealth no freedom. So if *sovereignty* is the goal, privacy is a necessary prerequisite.
