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Europeans already know the score

https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/support-for-monero-xmr-in-europe 
 Theres haveno-reto.com now, more private than bisq since security deposits are in XMR. 
 Kraken to delist #monero end of '24
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 bisq requires bitcoin tx fees and transparent chain. Haveno-reto is much more private and cheaper 
 Do you have any trading volume stats such as I share here for Bisq? I am not aversed to using Haveno but liquidity is already an issue on Bisq.

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 700-1000XMR. However i expect it to pass bisq.

1. lower fees (on the exchange 0.6% for all)
2. lower fees (on Monero chain)
3. faster trading due to faster block times (every 2 mins vs every 10)
4. privacy due to Monero's design
5. faster to load (possibly due to proof of work on seed nodes, no DAO)
6. Inclusion of PayPal, CashApp, etc (with warnings to keep trades small bc of chargeback risk) 
 I am quite used to Bisq so would be unlikely to be an early adopter of Haveno. Hopefully it can grow in volume.

P2P only accounts for a very small % of total volumes across all CEX etc, so there should be more than enough volume to go around. More people need to wake up to P2P KYC Free. 
 Same here, I am an BISQ user. But for trading with Monero, Haveno is better.

With Haveno your main currency is Monero, so you don't need to own some bitcoin for paying the security deposit. That is a huge boost.

In short, from my perspective.
Tradiing with BTC = Bisq
Trading with Monero = Haveno  
 if you have been a bisq user for a long time then Haveno will be absolutely easy for you.