Oddbean

People are being arrested in the UK for planning or suspected of planning a rally for human rights, civil liberty and cultural preservation. https://video.nostr.build/63b6e2c25852d3f4297cebefa407d403c7b75ffefb94f19325288064d54367fe.mp4

Today, the anti-fascists are the biggest fascists. The anti-racists are the biggest racists. The protectors of democracy are the biggest impediment to democracy. Those claiming to fight for freedom are the biggest tyrants. Those claiming the moral high ground are the face of evil. We live in an upside down world.

I would bet things will be fairly similar if Kamala gets in. (Maybe?) I'm surprised the Trump campaign hasn't pointed at Britain as a warning of where the US could be headed under a Harris presidency ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯. Maybe they have, I'm not really in the news loop.

I don’t think so, not because of Kamala, but because the US constitution is a written document that still has enough Kasha with the courts and a Supreme Court that presently likes to try to read the thing, that these things would be clear first amendment violations. The UK doesn’t have a written constitution, I’m not a citizen or an expert but my uninformed opinion is that is easier to massage and erode, or if you are a fan of the changes “improve”.

I'm not sure either. But isn't it happening already in the US? nostr:nevent1qqsdq3frl8ep08t3nhy8dwyf57srykqlwlqf24m0xldpnjg9ru5egxcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qnjst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9sxpqqqqqqzc7t9n8

Here is the judges argument for why it’s not free speech among other arguments for the rulings they made. Free speech starts on 38. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.459733/gov.uscourts.nyed.459733.54.0_1.pdf Essentially they say he is not being charged for the words he wrote, he is being charged because the words he wrote were in the purpose of a crime to defraud someone. My gut says this case comes down to their intent. If he was actually trying to get people to think they could vote when they couldn’t and so trick them out of it, then I think he could be guilty. If his intent was, “this is silly”, then I think he wouldn’t be guilty. Which one of those is the case is a fact question. And Juries determine the facts of the case. In this case the jury heard his claim that it was satire and they didn’t believe him. It’s like if I use words to trick a grandma into sending me money because I pretend to be her grandson in distress. I used words, words are free speech, but the charge isn’t that I said certain forbidden words, or topics, it’s that I defrauded a grandma. With more reflection on the original video I will say there is a lot of framing, assuming the framing is accurate it feels like a clear over reach and abuse. But if the framing is false it’s similar to the use of RICO. Which is a little shady, but that might be a better comparison in the US and can be abused. Just my random opinion.

Characterized as similar to RICo in the US and that scene could very well take place in the US. A conviction would require proving the organization existed and existed for the purpose of committing crimes. And sometimes i think RICO is an over reach and unconstitutional, but so far the Supreme Court doesn’t agree. I will also say something may be unconstitutional but it takes years to work through the court and that doesn’t help anybody in the short term that is actually being harmed.

"Come down hard, come down heavy" ... UK government right now nostr:nevent1qqswdllu450mjf8jnpfy84r4l9mh34d5kvsylv7st6cmd7d4xyqsueqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsy07tafc9xgry2jc7nlfcanu9x4tv43ta9qhl0mmwk65577sfzaucrqsqqqqqp6k3llc

I don't understand why they don't just punch these traitors in the face. The pigs don't even have guns, and they would be hard pressed to prove you hit them as their teeth are already jacked up. nostr:nevent1qqswdllu450mjf8jnpfy84r4l9mh34d5kvsylv7st6cmd7d4xyqsueqpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsy07tafc9xgry2jc7nlfcanu9x4tv43ta9qhl0mmwk65577sfzaucrqsqqqqqpwjp52p