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 The problem that saylor & maddireidy missed here is not 6102, he is correct on that. The issue is large holder choosing which fork to follow. Say Coinbase held 25% of the supply & decided to follow 20Gb/block fork, that would pose a huge problem. Could make MSTR go to zero in a way the tradfi shorter or Gov capture never could. 😬

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 Does Coinbase run 25% of the miners and nodes?  Who cares how much they own. 
 Only economic nodes mater, node count is its Sybil silly think. 
 there are nodes that aren't economic?  like an ordinals node? 
 He's covering for us to the 3letters  
 Let’s hope so… 
 cope

he seeks regulatory capture to protect his fiat purchasing power 
 He owns 10k Bitcoin personally 
 so he's heavily incentivized to do so 
 They can regulate as much as they want bro who cares 
 the people who have their freedom restricted care

obviously 
 We cannot give freedom to others. 

We can share the message but they must make their own choices and free themselves. 
 we CAN push back on regulatory creep
and be intolerant of those who promote it. 
 I’m trying but Liz Warren won’t return my calls 
 fortunately you have nostr 
 Ain’t that the truth brother 
 So, they only failed in 2017 because they didn’t have 25% of the supply? Idk about that 

The company itself doesn’t own much if any bitcoin on the balance sheet. I don’t see the incentive either, they do pretty well with their current business model operating a shitcoin casino 
 It's just a simplistic example. 
 why zero? they will double the amount of bitcoin as well as all of us 
 Are you sure you’re not just trying to sell me a hardware wallet? 
 Definitely selling you a ECC calculator 
 😂 
 I don't think that's an issue. Miners would have to follow as well. Coinbase could go fork themselves all they want but even with large custodial holdings they wouldn't have the mind share necessary to make others follow.

To me, people are just upset because he talked rudely about crypto anarchists and went on a weird tangent about selling hardware wallets through fear. Nothing burger. 
 If 25% of the supply was willing to dumb on the other fork would absolutely mater.

Aside from this being a simplistic example with ooma numbers. 
 Even if it was 90% supply I still don't think it would ultimately succeed. Bitcoin is an idea that we should follow an agreed upon set of rules and enforce them with computers. If you change Bitcoin it's not Bitcoin, and any breaking change like huge blocks or increased supply would self destruct even if it could achieve a higher market cap for a while.

Maybe I'm being naive/optimistic though. 
 If Bitcoin forks like this we'll all get so rich dumping those shitcoins to the suits 
 😂😂 
 Depends. But very possible. 
 Will we though?  Or will we become like BSV or BCH 
 WE WILL NOT BECAUSE WE RUN THE NODES

YOU CANNOT DECENTEALIZE THE 20GB BLOCK NODES 
 A node is only influential to the extent that bitcoin transactions occur through it. If the mining remains centralized and most node usage occurs through the minors nodes, you can imagine the problem. 
 we will. I will quickly become very poor in suitBTC and twice as rich in ParanoidAnarchistBTC 
 Blackrock, Fidelity, Coinbase, Microstrategy, etc… these are all the same heads of a corporate hydra. 
 First thing I thought when he made the disagreeable comments about hardware wallets was what’s his incentive? Oh yeah didn’t he talk about a long term goal of becoming a bitcoin bank? Makes sense. My second thought was thank god for NVK and the Coldcard 
 I was never on the Saylor wagon but lately, after his appearance on The Bitcoin Standard, and now this… 
 Takes a few cycles for people to understand bitcoin, it's not a simple system. And the rough is rough consensus is very rough 😅 
 Saylor needs one more cycle I guess

 
 He needs to get his compliance stash decommissioned. 
 
 Very true 
 I love when nvk post controversial
takes likes this it’s good for the community 
 He isn’t correct on 6102. They brought in the gold under threat of $10k fine or/and 10 years in prison. 
 Most people just get lost when they don't see a person hitting on another one. 
They decide to ignore threats and all the cases of fulfilled threats. 
They think that if you tercerize violence is not violence. 🤷‍♂️ 
 and to the opposite of his point, those who didn't self custody their gold were the easiest to enforce this threat on 
 Those greedy hardware wallet salesman! 
 those greedy bitcoin-only hardware salesmen! leaving sooo many shitcoin dollars on the table 😂 
 Replace Coinbase with US government. It’s them holding 2M #bitcoin 
 Monero fixes this 😂 
 No😂 
 He isn't correct about 6102 because the banks already controlled the gold when they moved to Fiat.

I'm sure some people involved in the Gold Trade got screwed, but essentially the same group of elite stayed in power.

You're talking about displacing that elite with a new technology
and you don't think that they're going to respond violently? 
 Neither blackrock nor the miners decide the fork. The nodes do and I don’t see node runners going against their best interests… 
 25% of supply is > 5M bitcoin. Possible? Maybe.

As for Saylor, he has to be acting this. I don't believe he is genuine. And it is triggering the reactions necessary to wake us all up!
How to live in a world without finance laws? What can you trust?

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 Just use his bitcoin bank like good little lemmings 🤣 
 Monero fixes this 😂 
 Why are large holders making decisions about a fork? Nodes and miners typically make these decisions together. For example, if a company holds 50% of all Bitcoin, but doesn’t transfer them on the mainchain. Miners would have no incentive to support that chain, or follow the company’s opinion/ideas. Miners follow the chain that offers the most fees, and the chain with the most individual users would likely generate the highest fees together. Or am I missing something? 
 Agree. The question is, do we have enough real bitcoiners in those companies once that gonna happen.