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 trying to steelman the tiktok ban: if US intelligence could prove it was being used as a propaganda tool and a way to increase mental instability, is it the role of government to protect its people beyond physical borders? seems more of their energy could be put towards the physical health of its citizens if that were the case. 
 Hard to know which investment will provide a better return. 
 Maybe Sir 🫡 
 The health of American Citizens is one of the last priorities of the US Federal Government. 
 I think the government wants to appear like they are helping but ultimately want to maintain control over our young people's mental states and decision making.  
 The state isn't interested in protecting its citizens 
 More energy could be put towards the physical borders 
 Are you being sarcastic here lol 
 If government cared about your health they wouldn't dispose flouride in the water supply 
 Steel-manning government action takes tons of steel. 
 I think the concern is more surveillance. Company I work for is a target for nation state actors and they are also banning tiktok 
 other than words, what evidence do you have that the empowerment of the people is a priority for the U.S. government? 
 if it was about tiktok, the ban would explicitly target tiktok. 
 It’s being banned because it takes market share from US tech companies doing the same things, pushing propaganda, inciting rage, and turning people into compliant citizens. 

Nothing new going on because of TikTok.

Can’t have tech companies and their cronies lose money 
 Since the CIA admitted to "Operation Mockingbird"
 https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmockingbird.htm

the deep state and corrupt politicians have controlled much of what we see and hear. With the proliferation of "social" that temporarily got away from them. Anything the Gov does to "protect" is always the exact opposite - cui bono

tl;dr  If you've heard it, read it, watched it there's a good chance it's been influenced in some way by an imperceptible agenda.

Nostr turns the table. It is probably one of THE most important projects for our future. 
 
 More of their energy should be put towards (improved, adaptive, modern) education as TikTok is not the real threat… but the usage & influence that it can generate is the new wider type of threat new generations should learn to handle. 

…Unless that’s what they’re trying to do themselves, but with their own tools… as in China? 
 Wouldn't the simplest solution just have been to ban it from app stores? DONE. 

That's kinda why I don't believe it's for whatever reason they say. You do that and it would naturally die off. 
 This assumes they care about their citizens 😂 
 TRYING TO STEELMAN THE DAMUS BAN: IF US INTELLIGENCE COULD PROVE IT WAS BEING USED AS A PROPAGANDA TOOL AND A WAY TO INCREASE MENTAL INSTABILITY, IS IT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT ITS PEOPLE BEYOND PHYSICAL BORDERS? SEEMS MORE OF THEIR ENERGY COULD BE PUT TOWARDS THE PHYSICAL HEALTH OF ITS CITIZENS IF THAT WERE THE CASE. 
 US intelligence agencies already said that the threats they identified with regard to TikTok were hypothetical. Of course, even hypothetical threats are good enough for politicians who already want to ban something. Either way, I have zero faith in the ability of our current elected officials to accurately identify propaganda, especially given that a concerning number of them seem to think the ongoing Donghua Jinlong joke is evidence of Chinese brainwashing.