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 @Nozahagmelons @Tyler @jaf then @theo h. mann would be overselling it to you, unless pipewire fixed all their jank since i last tried. couldnt even use it on my x201 which should definitely have a supported DAC but you might have better luck with it 
 @opal hart @Tyler @theo h. mann @Nozahagmelons pipewire is rough but the integration it has is fucking great, no backwards incompat fuckery, i can still use pavucontrol even tho it is pipewire. 
 @opal hart @Tyler @jaf @Nozahagmelons 

I have had no issues with either pulse or pipewire, ive used both
so I kinda have an anomalous experience but honestly I think both are okay not really big on one or the other because all I really care about is being able to plug in my headphones and hear shit 
 @theo h. mann @Tyler @opal hart @Nozahagmelons the main big sell is it can do jack without the ass cancer at the same time as doing pulse.