"Government can be in many forms." not sure what you mean by this but okay, i hear your point.
You can't have it both ways. You either have complete freedom, which includes autonomy, self sovereignty and self determination. Or you give these up, in any measure, to others - as a means of governance.
You give up your freedoms of self protection and get a number you can call instead. You pay taxes so that you can have public services available to you that you wouldn't have i.e. fire departments or parks or roads connecting your cities together. It's a give and take of 'freedoms' in a contract you make with the state.
There's so many interesting case studies, from the current wars in Donbas and Palestine to the disasters in North Carolina and elsewhere. Even Bitcoin has a defining self-sovereignty factor to it, hell it's built INTO the original protocol itself.
At the end of the day, you need government to handle things so you can focus on other things.
That is not true. My ancestors lived in a world where the tax was 9% there was no VAT or sales tax and zero property tax. The government had no say on whatever you were building on your property, there was no forced insurance or forced medical tax. Still there were police and fire Marshalls. Those were handled locally and they were doing their job like anybody else. The idea that you have to choose between being a slave or live in the total chaos is false.
If you mean that I should refuse public help to be coherent, well yes I'm already doing that. Me and my children have no doctor, the government doesn't know they are homeschooled and I do not expect to live over a retirement one day. Still I need to pay for owning my stuff and I need a driver licence plus I need a passport to move. The cost of forfeit the government structure is high.
If you look at my profile picture, you'll understand where I come from and my stance on the whole thing.
Unfortunately, in 2024, we don't live in that world anymore. We're global. We have import and export duties, global commodity pricing, hedged futures and all sorts of tomfoolery that explicitly connects the human capital to an enslaved system.
You can refuse that as much as you can. I keep old cars and fix them where I could buy a new one every year. I have stuff in different places on the planet so I will never lose all. And most important I have real friends and if the government tries to punish me, I will receive help.
It will be harder with a digital currency but I still can exchange my ability for things I cannot produce and I will try in the short term to use their own regulations against them with companies, trusts, precious metals and crypto only when I will have developed a way to be 100% anonimous
When people speak this way all it shows is that they know nothing about the ideas of liberty and anarchy.
We need government to handle things so we can focus on other things? Really? So do we need government to handle producing food? What about cars? What about cell phones? Man I sure do wish governments would produce some accounting services so I could account for my business.
The government takes. Period. It as nothing and gives nothing that it doesn't take from somebody or force somebody to give. Saying we need them to do things so we can focus on other things is like saying we need to mafia to force businesses to pay them for protection. Its a ridiculous statement.
However, if that mafia took half of your income by force claiming they will protect you, perhaps you would demand some protection when you needed it. Only to have people like you come in with "oh see now you want help when before you were bitching about having your money stolen!! You can't have it both ways!"
Or could it be that if they hadn't taken half your money you could have found a service that wasn't completely incapable of actually protecting you. Instead of an organization that doesn't actually give a shit about protecting you.
I think its perfectly fine to demand something from the mafia after they took so much from you. Even if you know they can't or won't provide it. BC it simply shows how illegitimate they actually are.
dude, wake up. You live in some fantasy world in your head that "government" does nothing.
You either need to travel more or go to some competent school that will teach you these things. You're not going to learn it here.
Here where? I live travelling the world. I have properties and companies in three continents and I know how to totally avoid government control. When I was little that kind of government I am depicting existed. The nightmare is something planned and executed after 2005.
if Government does fuck all, then why is everyone seeking/asking for government's help?
Why do you pay "taxes" - are you just an idiot to pay for something? Or are you just playing ignorant because you want to prove some anarchist point.
If you want to do that, I'd suggest you go live in Western Sahara or Sudan or the Congo if you want to live that fantasy out.
Ugh. Predictable. I addressed your first question in my last comment. I suggest you read it. Unless government neglected to teach you how to do so.
I don't pay taxes. Taxes are taken from me.
I was hoping for some better arguments here. I heard this shit in college from both neocons and progressives alike who were nothing but statist shills.
yes, taxes are taken or you are just freeloading off society that pays the way for you.
Stop being a socialist, unless you want government to print the money to pay for the fuel that runs the rescue helicopters?
Thank fuck I didn't take a social sciences degree, seems like you went in that direction though.
You're off in fantasy land now. I haven't seem this many straw men in a while. Beat those to death BC it seems like you can't hold up against a real argument.
Have fun taking it up the ass by the state. They have you where they want you. And youll just keep asking for more. Peace.
no son, it's just Economics 101 and 102.
ROFL a statist talking about economics. That's rich.
Some people are using nothing from the government and have nothing to pay back. On the other side the governments of half the planet are wasting their money and the money they don't even have yet on redistribution.
I read the first few lines and realised that you really didn't think anything through AT ALL.
"So do we need government to handle producing food? What about cars? What about cell phones?"
Unless you're happy with unregulated food, restaurants, services, cars that will kill you, cellphones with high amount of radiation etc. Then live in your fantasy world and keep your thesis in your pocket.
When you come back with an actual comprehensible argument, then maybe we can engage. Until then you're spewing nonsense that literally makes no real world sense.
Take a moment and think. Like I said, if you want to live in YOUR reality, go live in the Congo.
You mean like how the FDA who is bought and paid for big food regulates food? You mean like how the feds say lucky charms are better for you than meat? You mean like how Big Pharma is regulated so amazingly that they are shielded from liability by the state? You mean like how Americans eat food sprayed with poisons that the feds are totally fine with? You mean like how restaurants are able to serve food fried in rancid oils BC the government encouraged that after they inflated food prices so much people couldn't afford real oils?
Oh yea. Bang up job done by government regulatory bodies that are completely captured by the very industries they regulate. But hey, if we could just get the right people in there it would finally work right? Just had the wring people in there for the last 100 years is all.
Seriously man have you actually been alive in the last ten years? The only people speaking out against government regulatory corruption are private entities. And the government could give a shit.
"You mean like how the FDA who is bought and paid for big food regulates food?"
"You mean like how restaurants are able to serve food fried in rancid oils BC the government encouraged that after they inflated food prices so much people couldn't afford real oils? "
how do you not hear yourself? ah you're so fucking American.
Your "capitalism" loves monopoly. American "off hands" culture is so dumbfounding to watch from a distance.
You know, in other parts of the world, Government actually serves the well being of it's people and it's country.
Travel more, and not to Canada or Europe lol.
Haha, travel more just not to the countries that don't prove my point.
They just need to regulate harder don't they.
Gosh the government would regulate private industry so well if that damn private industry just didnt get in the way of that.
out of 195 countries, you only have 1 that proves your point and it's America. Even Canada is not that backwards albeit follows closely. Europe actually has food standards and regulations.. so that was my bad. I should have specifically highlighted the UK - but Europe too.
Live in a bubble chief, BRICS exists for a reason.
Bro the whole thread was started by a guy complaining about how the Spanish government doesn't care about him and you came in bitching about he's complaining. Canada is on the verge of having their prime minister ousted by his own party for corruption. He froze the bank accounts of his own citizens for protesting him ruining their lives. Europe is helping the US fund a war that is slaughtering thousands and thousands of people and the EU and NATO have threatening to enter that war which could cause a nuclear Holocaust and end life on the planet as we know it.
But hey, according to you they have regulating food down really well BC they care so much about their people. Just don't complain if they can't help their people during a flood right? BC then they sick their statist shills on you. You're full of shit.
Statists are amazing. They just refuse to see how they are enslaved.
Anarchists want to see the world burn at the expense of others. People on here want to see the world burn, government failing and federal reserves destroyed.
Do you actually understand what that means? How many billions would die as a result?
I'll say it again, if you want to live like that just go to Sudan or the Congo and live that way. There's government there, no intervention and completely selling out to corporations. Reminds you of someone?
Well, look at the native populations of these countries, constantly displaced by roaming factions of mercenaries, bandits, posses and other things.
The wild west is great in theory, but in reality you'd die before the age of 25 and that's pretty backwards imo.
Oh but I thought you said out of 195 countries the US is the only one that proves my point. You have shown you know how many countries there are in the world but you just don't know shit about them. 195 countries includes North Korea. But no no no they don't have corruption in government. Its only the US BC we are a bunch of silly capitalists that the rest of the world laughs at. Its such a ridiculous, illogical argument honestly.
At this point you're reduced to making blanket statements about anarchists of which you have already shown you know nothing about.
I'll say this again, your arguments about anarchists are old and tired. I heard them in college from both left and right alike. Back then it was "why don't you move to Somalia" and now you're using the Congo. Even though it has a government, of course that you claim has sold out to corporations. And you're right. Except you miss that those corporations have to buy off the government in order to do what they are doing. You even said it yourself. They sold out. So what the fuck use is the government then? Jfc the mental jumping jacks you have to do are amazing.
So before, only 1 country proved my point. Now its a few of them. Just don't address the corruption in all the European countries I just mentioned. Or talk about the guy in Spain who is saying the same thing about his country. Or maybe the fact that Bill Gates is in hot water in the Netherlands for possibly lying about vaccines and causing injuries. The government definitely didn't allow him to do that in such a non corrupted country though did they? Its not like the response to covid was the same nearly throughout the whole world. Lock down and force people to get a vaccine that made big pharma billions. No definitely not. Its only 1 country that is corrupted. Even though Australia basically went full on authoritarian.
These arguments are just outside the realm of logic. And its sad to me that people have such stockholm syndrome that they keep defending their subjugators.
Anarchist want to be left alone. I do not want to pay a tax on a property I bought and paid with taxed money. I do not want help. I do not want insurance. I do not want anything from an inefficient and corrupted government that is unable to live without creating huge debts.
I want for the government and it's people the same rules that are valid for the citizens. If they are fucking morons that wasted money and have a loss, go bankrupt ,.lose your assets, lose power and be prevented to handle any economic structure for the rest of your life. If the government was a private entity they would all be in jail
same dudes will be crying for government intervention when shit hit the proverbial fan
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Capitalism creates monopolies only when the government create regulations that forbid regular people from competing. Take away restrictions and regulation and monopolies will disappear. That will be true capitalism
that makes zero sense, because you know, unregulated industries tend to bring out the best in society...
What does it even mean. Capitalism regulation comes from customer approval, not government regulation and bias. Nothing is unregolated. The point is government regulate stuff and do not pay the price for errors. Customers do and private companies too. I agree with government power when they stop being immune to prosecution and start living inside the society, paying the price for what they did. A parliament of assholes that mandate an experimental jab but are excluded from the mandate, that have the IRS grow to a KGB level but are exempt from being checked themselves. These elites can go die today.
Yes we are happy with unregulated food cars and phones. I lived with food made by my family, I hardware modify my phone and cars anyway. I do not need expert to tell me what is safe. They need to just get out of my life.
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