Oddbean new post about login | logout The annoying part is that self-custodial lightning experience is lacking. Like even with Breez and Phoenix - you can't get lightning address, you can't set up zaps (afaik).
Does need to be better. And there are still a lot of privacy problems even with noncustodial BTC.
Yep and that sucks. There are some small nice steps like Joinstr (conjoin coordinated over nostr) happening, but it always feels like we are both really close and really far from much better privacy experience.
Hadn't heard of this! Thanks for sharing.
Yeah it runs in Electrum. Intro is here https://stacker.news/items/247580
- Ex-Wasabi Dev - No defense against sybil attacks - No ddos protection - Worse anon sets - Worse entropy - Worse UI/UX - No spend tools - Fractured crowd - IP exposure - Only decentralized as nostr relays - not a zerolink protocol Therefore whirlpool is superior And what does joinstr solve its not a zerolink protocol and they are no postmix tools.
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Does storing images on relays pose any additional risk to them?
Storage costs. Bitstream is designed to pay relays as they deliver data, bit by bit over Lightning. The file chunk itself is released as a preimage to settle the Lightning invoice. That should help with the increased overhead for relays. Static monthly payments from users has many relays going out of business — they underestimate operating costs.
Have you considered a scenario where seeding relays with illegal images could quickly undermine the entire network? I actually think centralized services are great at handling media because they have more tools at their disposal to moderate for illegal content. I thought that having media live on relays could potentially put them in legal hot water so to speak. But with text only, there is a much lesser risk of being taken offline. That and it keeps relays leaner and easier to spin up. Or were you thinking only some relays handling media?
Being a centralized storage provider does not improve your ability to moderate illegal content, funding does. Relays making tons of money should certainly provide them with the funding to prune illegal content like nostr.build does. Many new AI tools are growing for this very purpose. These will only proliferate over the next decade. Although, I agree that not all relays should be forced to host files — only the relays capable of sustaining it. Everything is modular and voluntary, but we cannot rely on the centralized web forever!
One problem is, books can be illegal in some places as well. If some text is illegal, the same logic can say that relay should not host text as well.
Therefore, whether relay should media is not a social/legal problem, it's a technology problem. Whether relay should exist a social/legal problem.
Not really the same I think. Books being illegal in a few countries doesn’t phase the network. Child porn being illegal (I assume) in all countries could have an impact on the network. It’s probably not a major concern though as you wouldn’t have relays broadcasting the same media everywhere but it could impact the largest and most popular relays. Just thinking out loud …
Good point. Illegal text is certainly much less than illegal multi-media.
Data as the preimage. Damn that's a really cool idea.
The data is encrypted and the decryption key is the preimage. But that’s very difficult to explain so I usually give people the simplified version above first^ Robin could go more in-depth. It started initially as him suggesting using the data as the preimage, then we realized preimages couldn’t be reused and evolved it over the last few months.
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There's also JoinMarket, which is the more established and also decentralized alternative. As a taker you get to decide which amount and how many people to coinjoin with. Right now this is the best flow to fund a Lightning node and its channels as privately as possible, but it still assumes you know what you are doing and know the tool and all the nuances involved. We'll get there with time.
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ok then whos satoshi
Fair play
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Protocol development takes time using existing technology takes compromises. Zaps rely on DNS to then forward to an always online server to grab a bolt 11 address and return it to the person requesting it. Governments "turn off the internet" by turning off DNS. (Hint hint, use IPs were you can and self host your own DNS server). If Phoenix and Breez had like a desktop client so you could easily be always online, they would still control the DNS server. As you know, Bolt 12 (reusable invoices) is being developed.