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Cyph3rp9nk | 28 days ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 You have not used Zeus.
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Owner_of_donky | 28 days ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +3 
 I do. The opening channels part still applies
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Cyph3rp9nk | 28 days ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 If you use their lsp Olympus does everything automatically and the channels are 0-conf, i.e. it opens immediately, so what you say is false.
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Owner_of_donky | 28 days ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +2 
 Isn't olympus basically a node ran by them? So that makes non self custodian
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Javier | 28 days ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Do you understand the term "open a channel with them"?
You have custody of your channel.
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Owner_of_donky | 28 days ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I don't understand what olympus is and how does it work. Is it basically a node that you connect to and it opens channels to other nodes you want to open channels to? If it works tjat way it still has the problem that it is centralized (if you only oprn a channel with them and not anyone else).
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Javier | 28 days ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 No, they open channel with whoever they want, the same as you. You open channels with whoever you want. And you have full custody of your money, regardless on whom you open a channel with.
There is no centralization here.