Oddbean new post about login | logout No one should Finance Israel expect Israeli, except if a proposal was submitted to the population which have accepted by a referendum, that's a true democracy. It seems to be the Israeli Government helped the Hamas, I have no evidence and the situation was surely different, but I'm sure it wasn't in the intention that Hamas will commit terrorism in Israel and in Gaza (because yes Hamas is clearly killing Palestinian people too). I really don't know what happened between Israeli Government and Hamas, if they helped Hamas, it was probably in the expectation of a better and safer situation, otherwise it will be very disturbing
The intention was to prevent a peace settlement, that would inevitably lead to assimilation, like every time before. It worked. Fostering terrorists wasn't the goal, just a means to the goal. A goal that you yourself are sympathetic to, keeping Jewish people frightened, separate and in the shetl. How many innocent lives is maintaining that really worth? How many innocent Jewish lives is that really worth? Zionism isn't free...
I'm not for restraining Jewish to assimilate, anyone do what they want to do, I just said according to the Torah, assimilation brings negative consequences, that's what Torah said, it's like a doctor saying to you what you should do and don't do for your own good, but you are totally free. What evidence do you have about the intention of Israeli Government with "helping" the Hamas ? I'm sympathetic to say the true and let the people do that they want within the respect of others, Judaism is not a prison, you are free, do your own way, learn by yourself if you want, no problem at all. Religion should bring freedom not enslavement. Zionism is the will for the Jews to have a land, their ancestral Land where they can be by themselves, defending against pogrom and Shoah because during all the exile Jews where persecuted, and some Jews (and non Jews) want that stop, so Jews will be able to defend themselves. No Zionism is not the will to kick out a bunch of Arabs from their home. Again, like everyone, Jewish are all different, Jews are not so different you know ^^ They have success and failure, it's not the devil in flesh and bones too, it's just humans with a crazy history like everyone else 😄
Here's the best intro on the background of Hamas - Israeli relations: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/israel/2019-03-29/israel-and-hamas-need-each-other Wikipedia has an article too but they waffle too much, its "ground zero" for "edit wars". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas Regarding what the Jewish community wants, 100% agree, but what the Jewish global community wants, what Israeli citizens want, what the Israeli govt wants, and what various cliques of oligarchs who don't even live in Israel want are not the same. If they were, there would have been no need for Israel's security establishment to foster Hamas behind their people's backs. Endless crimes against Palestinians, who 100 years ago were more friendly to Jews than any European country, is not in the global Jewish community's interests. It's in Hamas' interests, its in the Israeli security state's interests, its in American weapons manufacturers interests, and its in the interest of certain Jewish oligarchs who prefer to see one Jew lying dead than ten Jews eating and drinking with a non-believer. But its not in your interest. And dismantling the incentive structure they've built is going to be the work of decades. Without credible threats from Palestinians, the need for fear and war can only be met by attacking other third countries, as we are seeing now. Read what Smolrich and Gvir have said publicly about Israel's borders.
Are you talking about Hezbollah ? Oh yeah there is no credible threat except they launched rockets and drones from a year now, sorry you probably means Iran ? No of course they didn't finance Hamas and Hezbollah, they have surely not attacked Israel themselves... between the Palestinian population there is, you know... the Hamas who simply want the destruction of Israel and committing so many attacks from decades, rockets, car bomb, knife attack, raping, kidnapping but oh sorry there is no "credible threats" wtf are you saying here ? Of course again, many Arabs in Gaza, Lebanon, Iran... just want to live in peace, but inside these populations, there are a bunch of retard who declared an eternal war against Jewish state, deal with it
You might want to look in a mirror. Israel's govt and its sponsors, have been doing all of those things, but on a larger scale and for longer. Thanks to your current govt's arrogance and habit of "saying the quiet part aloud", now everyone knows.
Probably at that time, Hamas wasn't doing evil things like terrorism, if Hamas became what it is today, we can't blame Israeli Government, it's like blaming Dumbledore to has been the professor of Tom Jedusor which became LATER Lord Voldemort
LOL Dumbledore wasn't helping Voldemort with the intention of using him to steal other people's homes and businesses, to create an apartheid state, to drive the native owners into refugee camps, and then beseige them like the Warsaw Ghetto. Dumbledore actually cared, and wasn't a hypocrite.
Also hate to break it to you but Harry Potter isn’t a real wizard.
Neither is Israel :p
Where do you go to imagine the Israeli Government want to steal homes in Gaza ? Are you serious ? Israel is at the higher level in many sectors, they earn a lot of money, and they are obsessed to steal Palestinian homes ^^ At least they are autistic so... It's not serious, really, if Israel wanted to take Gaza, it will be done today and from a long time already. Israel cared on Gaza during decades, giving electricity, water, medicament, all for free. They facilitated the employment of Palestinian in Israel to help them, and yes of course Israeli hospital was free for Palestinians until Oct 7
LOL Smolrich and Gvir have both announced that is exactly what they will do - steal homes in Gaza. And build settlements. Your Minister for Women declared she would leave the coalition if they did not. "At least they are autistic" - dude that is sick and you should apologise. Autism does not make people into Oskar Dirlewanger, only Zionism (and Nazism) can do that.
Apologize for what ? There is nothing wrong about autism, I have some and probably we are all autistic at some degree, like every time you transform the words in a wrong way, the purpose was to show the stupidity of your post, not against autism, well of course Israel don't want to robe some houses in Gaza, concerning the business, there is close to nothing in Gaza, Israeli have Tel Aviv which compete with Silicon Valley but yeah let's go robe a bakery (all my respect to bakery in Gaza) Why did you said "Your Minister" ? I'm not Jew and not living in Israel I will never defend Israel if Israel do shit, but I will ever defend someone which is falsely accused of something wrong Israel is attacked from 20 years by Hamas in Gaza, meanwhile, all this time Israel gave free electricity, water, medicament and hospitals to Palestinians, because Israel ever wanted peace But at some point it's unsustainable, after the Oct 7 Israel said enough is enough and go against Hamas, sorry for Palestinian but Hamas is coward using the civilian as a shield, you want to know ? Hamas is using babies as shield, yes, babies on one hand and the gun on the other hand, who is doing something like that on earth ?! So unfortunately innocent women and child are killed by IDF even if Israel try to don't hit the innocent population, at some point you can't do otherwise and it's sad you have no choice, you need to defend yourself Blame Hamas and those who funded their terrorist actions, not Israel which want to preserve innocent life, you are an idiot or very dishonest which I think you are, the Free Palestine movement is not for Palestinian, it's against Israel, I never heard them blaming Hamas for what they did and are doing again, Hamas is starving, torturing and killing the Palestinians Why not blaming Egypt for not letting population enter in their country ? Egypt can protect Palestinian from danger, they have a lot of resources too Why not blaming Qatar who directly funded Hamas when Hamas was killing innocent Palestinian and Israeli ? This conversation is going absurd, comparing Zionism to Nazism is the higher level of stupidity and hate against Jews, Zionism is for the peaceful establishment of a territory for Jews, nothing about hunting and systematically killing a population because of it's religion or ethnicity.