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Fabio Manganiello | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 @4a737d46 my label is a response to what I often hear from representatives and sympathizers of this government - including the ambassador in this interview.

"We need all of that land because the Holocaust <put-victimist-excuse-here>".

It's almost like the evil that they went through allows them to perpetrate the same evil against others. It's almost as if they were allowed to respond with a reaction of the same intensity. How would you call this kind of behaviour and reaction?
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Alexia Gaudeul | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 @7d199f28 Look, what you are calling for (fight, sanction) and your emotional language (evil, hate), plus your willingness to condemn all of Israel and make pseudo-psychological explanations for the behaviour of Israelis... 

All this makes you no better than any of them, as you do not even have the excuse of being involved in the conflict, and are rather an armchair instigator of war.

I am sorry you speak like this.
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Fabio Manganiello | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 @4a737d46 "Evil" and "hate" are exactly the words the Israeli ambassador used when talking about Gaza in this clip. He slowly repeats "we have to destroy Gaza" three times, with his eyes fill up with hate. How is denouncing hate and putting the right labels onto it a form of hate itself?

Also note that I'm always careful not to condemn all of Israel. I've repeatedly talked about "Israeli State" as "the current Israeli government", not of Israel as a whole. I know that not all the folks over there support Likud and its far-right partners. I know that many of them have taken to the streets when Netanyahu repeatedly tried to neutralize the judicial power in the past few months. I know that many of them are in favour of opening a line of dialogue at least with the exiled PLO/PA and oppose this war.

Not everybody in Israel is a fascist illiberal colonist who wants to wipe out a whole ethnic group and create a theocratic State, but everybody who politically represents Israel right now falls under that category.

Just like not all Palestinians are terrorists who believe in violence as a legitimate mean of getting back all of their lands, but everybody in Hamas falls under that category.

And I'm also not instigating war. I believe that the '67 UN resolution was the best possible deal, and that the Oslo accords actually came quite close to a durable peace. I believe in a two-State solution. Those who instigate war are those who have spent the past 30 years opposing that peace process - and that applies to both the sides of the conflict.

And I'm definitely not saying that a war against Israel is justified. I'm saying that we should make sure not to give a single helmet or bullet, let alone a US air carrier in the Mediterranean, to a country that has decided to respond to an overall moderate-impact attack by basically wiping out a whole region and displacing millions who will soon knock on Europe's doors. And, on top of that, sanctions against Israel would make perfectly sense if we were really ideologically honest - if we put sanctions on Russia for engaging in a colonial campaign, then why aren't we doing the same with Israel?
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Bowfinger | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I like your arguments. They are direct, logic and fair and don't generalize against all Israelis
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Bowfinger | 1 years ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 @Alexia Gaudeul you work for the EU, so probably you would learn a lot by hearing from Arabic people directly, as EU media is acting as.a lawyer of Israel.

If you hear learning people speaking or see their media (Al Jazeera and others) you would see the propaganda and Double morale EU is doing on this topic