Oddbean

"doesn't surveil a persons" Are you kidding? Apple knows everything about you. They surveil you in every single device, in every single connection. They even have an ad-platform that Facebook was forced to use and share data with so that Apple can know you better to sell ads. Don't think for a second that the two companies are any different. Google is just upfront about it.

Nope. I understand the jump to say they’re the same. But the business model tells you everything you need to know. Google revenue comes from people, Apple revenue comes from products. Do more reading on differential privacy advertising, lockdown mode, advanced data protection for iCloud etc etc Apple built really great privacy tools. I know I was there.

They make a whole lot more effort than any other tech company, I feel the public should give them more credit. Lots of good stuff that other companies wouldn’t touch. Remember when they went to court against the US government and still defied the court order to unlock everyone’s iPhones?

It's called privacy theater. They only apply differential privacy in 0.1% of their products. They only go to court in a few very public cases for marketing. Meaning while everything else is traced. 99.9% of their apps, services, devices call their servers in the open web without any privacy to you.

Idk man lot of assumptions there, from my point of view they go to court when it matters. Check this little switch right here, removes Apple keys entirely. They can hand over my data, but they can’t decrypt it. https://image.nostr.build/30d2f5536955384ea99d6214a488248d3a495376d135a72b331af2f6b8382005.jpg

Yeah my man that’s how cryptography works. I have the only key. Only things that aren’t encrypted are iCloud mail, contacts, and calendar so they can be interoperable with other providers. Far FAR better than Android protections. Only one better is graphene, but I don’t see graphene ever getting more than 15% market share https://proton.me/blog/apple-icloud-privacy

They don't need to decrypt it. They control both sides, they can just track you using the app and get the information they need before encrypting. Similar to how WhatsApp/Telegram can get information from you even though they are "end to end" encrypted. They can just monitor what you type (which they do). If the app is not opensource so that you can check it and if you can't change the server that is storing this info, they can track anything they want and you will never know.

What app? I’m not sure this makes any sense. If my device is encrypted at rest, and my data is encrypted in iCloud, it’s no different than collecting metadata from any source. I’ve yet to see anyone demonstrate this with iOS. If they could it would be international news like when pegasus spyware came around. Plenty of audits for the lockdown mode and iCloud advanced protections that show it can stand up to state actors. Don’t get me wrong, I love the work put into Graphene as much as anybody. Graphene is best yes, we all know. But out of stock Android, or stock iOS, Apple’s built far superior protections.

There is no stock iOS. There is only the Apple-provided iOS which you can't see the code and thus you can't actually check for anything. On WhatApp: "Depending on the request WhatsApp’s response may include, if available, basic subscriber information (such as their name, service start date, last seen date, IP address, device type, and email address), and account information (such as a user’s "about" information, profile photos, group information and contacts list). In the ordinary course of providing its service, WhatsApp does not store message logs once the messages are delivered or transaction logs of such delivered messages. In order to comply with a valid legal request, such as a valid Pen Register Trap and Trace Order in the United States, WhatsApp may start collecting message logs and call logs for a particular user indicating who the communication was to or from, the time it was transmitted and from which IP address, and the type of communication (such as a text or call)." https://faq.whatsapp.com/808280033839222

Yeah “stock” iOS is the version from Apple. I was trying to convey the additional optional security features that put it above all versions of Android, except Graphene. WhatsApp is a third party app, created in china, purchased by Facebook. The real answer is don’t use it. But the danger of using WhatsApp is the same between Android and iOS. Again I’m trying to point out Graphene stands on its own here. Cybersec researchers work pretty hard to breach iOS and their work is in the open, even if the public can’t look at the iOS source code.

Here maybe this will help, not my opinions, direct from Cellebrite. iPhones are harder to breach than Android https://image.nostr.build/c3a08ecc8b2239be485f2709941b0adc20f09b36a0d56670dfe8a26acd3822cc.jpg https://image.nostr.build/b57eeeb37e1b34e53a63ff348bdfcfd1655baf625bb6f7edf99a795ad4985f51.jpg

in between the time of mercantilism, where only one guy could get a license to do some business (with a letters patent and cosy relations with the monarch) and the arrival of the warfare modality of espionage, there were companies but they didn't register themselves not long after monarch started hiring spooks, about 200 years, we saw the beginning of the modern liberal democratic state, and shortly thereafter, the wide deployment of fractional reserve banking, insurance, and income tax at which point, multi-person enterprises were required, and much propaganda was made to make everyone think that doing business in a structured way required you to register for taxation guess what the real reason why they do all this is because it gives them a lever... once you are a publicly registered corporation, the spooks can come and talk to you and make you do things and at threat of death you must not tell anyone about this, and you must obey their commands not only is google a NSA- and CIA- funded operation, so is Facebook, and before this, the spooks captured Apple, Microsoft ... and so on... and let's just say that in many cases, a lot of the money for these behemoths came from dark places that nobody really talks about and very few have even tried to find out the entire situation is the most literal realisation of the allegory of Plato's Cave that you can imagine, they are controlling enough people's minds that the rest who are not sure, just go along with it either to fit in or out of fear sooner or later, the human spirit will break out of this enslavement so, yeah, don't be fooled if the government approves it, or a faction of the government is trying to cast it as an enemy it's part of the government if it's a publicly registered corporation it can effectively become part of the government at any moment, just waits on a bunch of MIBs to go out and have some conversations and make threats and give orders to the entrepreneurs involved and yes they are a competitive bunch, there is at least two factions in every government, and they compete to increase the amount of control with their differerent philosophies of how to achieve it nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzq3svyhng9ld8sv44950j957j9vchdktj7cxumsep9mvvjthc2pjuqqspmzej4afu6h6hq2q0gjgr63rkr0w4zeyfg2ryq5rynna27huz8hqd4xnqu

A thought to ponder. I think about this a lot and it is good to keep in mind going forward. nostr:nevent1qqsvpdh4hgd0vvdslpsc2wjzre4r0pg8scf4w90rytvc3eruc8mxncspz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qfjqqy4a93z5zsjwsfxqhc2764kvykfdyttvldkkkdera8dr78vhsxpqqqqqqzgvgtxf