I agree completely, but I tried to talk @hodlbod into it so much and in the end he just got more and more entrenched in his position. I sincerely believe the latest update to NIP-29 for "unmanaged" groups brings everything he wants into NIP-29 and Chachi and the existence of https://chachi.chat/pyramid.fiatjaf.com proves it already.

You could just have "h" tags arbitrarily assigned by users to create new "rooms" in unmanaged relays and we would have the "Discord" experience (which to me is horrible but that doesn't matter).

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't grasp what that is from hodlbod's explanations. Please let me know if you understand it. 

 I'll write a blog post this week. My thoughts have crystallized a lot since I failed to explain my position to you 

 Given your explanation in the NIP proposal I don't have much hope for the blog post, but will wait for it. 

 I think the same but I might be missing something too, it's kinda late and I'm tired. I fail to see why we need a new spec when NIP-29 has everything needed to make a Discord-like client.

The moderation primitives are optional, if your relay doesn't support NIP-29 you can still have unmanaged groups/channels and handle read and write access at the relay level.

I hope I'm wrong but looks like a severe case of NIH syndrome.