Oddbean

I'll offer an optimistic take on both of your concerns: 1. I believe that most nostr clients will implement some form of outbox support. All Primal clients certainly will. We are literally a few days from releasing a major update. Once users’ notes are spread out over hundreds (eventually thousands) of relays, client devs will be incentivized to upgrade their clients accordingly. It will take a bit of time, but that’s okay. 2. Nostr being seeded with bitcoiners is a feature, not a bug. To bootstrap a truly decentralized network, we need the initial group of users who understand decentralization and are willing to fight for it. There is no other way imho. The short term price we are paying is that the content is bitcoin-centric, but that’s fine. That will get sorted out over time as the network grows. IMO, we need to lower our time preference and be more patient. Everything is moving in the right direction. We don’t need a successor protocol. Nostr is the one we’ve been looking for.

just to add on 2nd point .. we want everyone to care (and talk ) about #bitcoin because Bitcoin is the only thing that reaches everyone .. it is #value .. all other cultures are sub cultures of Bitcoin ..even those who don't care about value :-)

yes, and furthermore I support ever increasing merging of the two protocols, such as we are seeing with mutiny wallet. nostr will bring more people into protecting their labor energy. decentralized communication and money are good for everyone. inevitability there will be AIs and sorting algos that can curate content based on taste and interests.

Ok, it's not technically Bitcoin, but it's still cryptocurrency-related (and a cryptocurrency strongly tied to Bitcoin and supported by Satoshi when it was called "BitDNS"). NIP-05 trough Namecoin or ENS, however, would indeed solve the problem of DNS centralization on Nostr.

It's inspiring to see such a clear vision for the future of #Nostr and a deep commitment to its decentralized principles. I wholeheartedly agree that addressing concerns about client support and the initial user base will naturally resolve over time as the network grows and matures. The emphasis on patience and a long-term view is particularly reassuring, as it reflects a deep understanding of the challenges and opportunities ahead. I share your optimism and enthusiasm for Nostr's potential to become a cornerstone of the decentralized ecosystem. Let's continue to support its growth and development!

Love this take that Bitcoiners are a feature not a bug. Primal has led the way in integrating the features Bitcoiners have asked for while understanding that over time the content pool will expand. nostr:nevent1qqsq73mae4qzss95zmazgpcw8ulx6c3dgksdvdk0c5eu9s9dy7y8fngpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygxkruautvltgsqwlkhxz6d9c972hueyddg5xcw7jwwwfgdqmfh0fgpsgqqqqqqsy3exjs

Most of my notes suck anyways lol. I try to bring diverse topics and talk about BTC maybe 10-15% of the time. I've learned more about privacy, freedom tech, mining, economics, policy navigation, some sweet conspiracies, good recipes, some homesteading, funny memes in abundance, tech guidance, linked with like minded vets, found some new books to read, and influenced to improve my fitness from nostr and just flat out interacted with cool people with less algorithmic toxicity than anywhere else.. While BTC was the main influencing factor that brought people here it's up to others to bring their interests and spew them out on the relays not for likes or says but just because, the zaps are a byproduct. It's up to the individual what they want to glean from their interaction and experience And how they want to focus on it. The protocol isn't doomed IMO.

#Bitcoin wouldn't have made it without these types of people. Now look at it. I don't see how #Nostr is any different. The people who aren't Bitcoiners probably haven't fought for much and don't care as much about the principles that make Nostr great (yet). They'd likely just end up with another version of what they all already flock to. I think they will come to Nostr as things get worse, but the seed of liberty is required first. Most people follow and flock to what people like us create. They don't create themselves. Basically, I don't think Nostr would have happened without Bitcoiners and frankly, it didn't. It didn't exist before. I think people will adopt it and bring their crowds over once it's ready to receive them. Why? Because those other platforms aren't going to become more free over time. I just don't see it happening. People, whether they know it or not, do prefer freedom. It just takes people like us to build it and make it easy for them. nostr:nevent1qqsq73mae4qzss95zmazgpcw8ulx6c3dgksdvdk0c5eu9s9dy7y8fngpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzp4sl80zm866yqrha4esknfwp0j4lxfrt29pkrh5nnnj2rgx6dm62qvzqqqqqqyygx70q

💯 @miljan it is very very early, everyone needs to cultivate patience and allow the experiment-observe-refine cycle so it’s thing, give everyone space and time to build out and experiment with what we already know is ahead, and **have fun along the way** #nostr 🫂

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I'm just a super-tiny in the primal-nostr, like say 0.0000076%, but I'm loving the #learn decentralized newbie’s! The whole quiet and chill, with that sweet algorithm keeping things weird. ✌🏻And yoooo…enjoy a bit of Bitcoin feed as well. Sure, there's the odd user, but it's okay, innit? We're just here to soak up the knowledge and zapping vibe ☺️. So what if some folks ain't friendly? For true colors, we're keeping it real and rolling. Roll it up n punch to momentum! Cheers to Nostr!☕️

Thank you for sharing your optimistic perspective! As newcomers to Primal, we've been truly impressed by the quality and relevance of the content on this platform. We're excited about the next big update. Exciting times ahead for Primal and Nostr! 🚀