Oddbean new post about login | logout @ee4cb8b5 @a8a3ca9d @02439a38 @b870d4c8 2/ Also, when you say #Starmer "Allowed" the #Tories... How's Starmer supposed to do that when the Tories have a 70+ seat majority? π€ Mate, #Labour aren't in power, & as we've seen, they can't affect what the Tories want to vote through unless #Tory MPs rebel... π€·πΎββοΈ
@0f342e77 @a8a3ca9d @02439a38 @b870d4c8 Starmer has utterly failed to oppose #tory policies and offer alternatives I dont expect the opposition to win many votes in the commons but I do expect them to try to win the *argument * And for the opposition to do some opposing If labour are this feeble and timid in opposition - against an dying government are they going to stand up to the rich and powerful - their donors
@ee4cb8b5 @a8a3ca9d @02439a38 @b870d4c8 I did ask for your alternative mate. I hear your criticisms of #Starmer's #Labour, but I just want to hear which solution do you suggest will work & why? Also, with a 70+ seat majority, how would Starmer opposing these Tory policies have stopped them? After the biggest election annihilation in political history in 2019, the far left claimed "We won all the arguments". Can you tell me what good "Winning the arguments" did for the UK? π€
@0f342e77 @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 The alternative would be not doing more "#austerity, privatisation of the #NHS or a way to reduce poverty, fallng real wages, and ..privatised rip-off utilities". Not sure if you're ignoring when that was written or if you actually cannot compute it. That last paragraph is weird, you're asking someone else to justify an argument they haven't made. And you keep using the phrase "far left". But aren't you actually just talking about the left?
@0f342e77 @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 Your aim here seems to be persuading leftists, whose perspectives you seem to have disdain for, that #Starmer will somehow deliver what they want. This seems a bit like just mimicking Starmer. Or perhaps if your aim is not that, judging by that silly meme picture, it is instead to persuade leftists that Starmer ('cos he's definitely not a C/conservative..) and his retrograde, oppressive politics should be all they want.
@a8a3ca9d @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 Mate, if it was up to me, the remnants of the far left would have been permanently ejected in 2020! π³ I'd have given them Β£1m in #Labour funds so Momentum, Breakthrough Party & NIP could form a new far left party under Corbyn, where you could've reunited & had Jon McDonnell, Diane Abbott, Ian Lavery, Jon Trickett & Laura Smith as your new front bench. The UK rejected Foot in 1982. They Rejected Corbyn in 2019. You had your chances & blew them! π€·πΎββοΈ
@0f342e77 @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 Surely this whole debate is about you courting leftists to support #Starmer or at least stop criticising him? It doesn't make sense when someone declares the death of the left and then puts so much energy into criticising leftism. It seems somehow #necrophilic. Unless maybe the body still has a worrying pulse?
@a8a3ca9d @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 Mate, you engaged with me! π I've given up trying to reason with far left Corbynista's. We get it. You HATE #Starmer & many of you would rather another 5 years of the #Tories, than see SKS as PM. I'm not trying to change your mind. All I'm saying is seeing as you dislike Starmer so much, why don't you form/find another party to put your energies into, & leave Labour alone? If you leave us alone, you'll get no push-back from me fella... ππΎπ€·πΎββοΈ
@0f342e77 @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 This is a very fragile way to be triumphant. #Starmer
@a8a3ca9d @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 I'm being realistic. Now why don't you run along, fund some #Tories & put your efforts into finding out from them, why they've trashed the UK they way they have? #Labour doesn't want or need you, hence why no one's arsed who you vote for. Mate, you Corbynista's are a complete irrelevance... π
@a8a3ca9d @ee4cb8b5 @02439a38 @b870d4c8 I didn't ask for the negative of what I asked, I asked for YOUR solutions to avoid austerity, NHS privatisation, reduce poverty, falling wages & rip-off utilities? The last paragraph was me paraphrasing the reasons trotted out by the far left for #Labour's GE2019 dry bumming I repeat: "We won all the arguments" π The far left got their way & increased Labour's membership by 290k. This being the case, why did Labour get Slaughtered?