I dunno. You can vote however you like, I'm not gonna judge. I just think that this whole thing is a charade. 

 Entirely plausible. But then they'd all have to be a lot more competent than I think they are for it to all be fake. It's also possible that they are just so corrupt that not having some sort of real dirt on someone scares the shit out of them.

A vote might not be worth anything, but it also doesn't cost me much & seems like it's worth the gamble. 

 You aren't legitimizing the system 

 I fucking hate the system. But I recently reregistered to vote for a close sheriff's election & I registered as a democrat because I thought it was funny. Would be even funnier to vote for Trump as a dem, my vote might even accidentally get counted. 

 lol 

 The vote will be counted, they will just put it where they need it 

 Sigh, yeah... 

 i hope i know better(i) congrats on teaching your boy! 

 Why do you think the majority of libertarian delegates voted for Chase Oliver? 

 Idk how the LP nomination BS works, but from what I have been hearing it sounds like one of the other candidates gave his votes to Oliver in order to help him win. Alot of the libertarians involved in politics are also just liberteen pieces of shit.

And Rectenwald, despite getting more votes than either of the other two candidates individually, is apparently too much of a pothead to be a decent messenger anyway. The LP is just destined to always be a complete fucking joke. Which is just as well, a consistent application of libertarian principles is completely incompatible with politics. 

 Stay open to new information.  

 The LP is a dumpster fire. If you have some info feel free to provide it, but the Mises Caucus takeover was a failure & a dead end anyway because politics is never going to be the solution. The clowns will always care more about the clown show than sane people will. Fuck em. 

 There are arguments to be had over whether they are a political op, or just ridiculous. 
And none of them matter. 
Theyre completely irrelevant now. 

 I’m still learning who the chase Oliver guy is. I don’t think voting for president does much. And I think investing more energy into yourself, family, property etc is orders of magnitude more important. But if I’m going to do it, and I typically do, I can’t imagine voting for any other party than LP. It may be a dumpster fire, and I may not personally agree with the personal opinions of every LP candidate but if I’m going to spend anytime voting, it’s the closest to what I think the size and role of government should be. I’m not going to deviate from that because one bad is screwing the other bad. 

 agorism. 

 To be honest I wasn’t aware of his support for Israel, only his criticism of Ukraine. Shit maybe I just won’t vote either. 

 They may be playing reverse-reverse psychology on us, but it doesent matter. A vote for Trump is a vote to light a match to Biff's boomer shanty village. Even when they don't count it, it's still a middle finger to these tranny tyrants. 

 Powers pushing for a global state win either way. If Trumps wins the election, there’ll be 4 years of invented crises bringing out paid agitators to constantly drive up the general angst. The media will play along. If Biden wins- same thing, just different crises. Pretty much if Trump wins, the forced EV plans, goodbye Taiwan, UN and WHO overriding sovereign governance, etc. will get delayed for a few more years.

But the drive to crush privacy into history will not be deterred. And the money printing… God, I wish I sold money printers, cause damn.

Which leads to the crises (details TBD) that will be used to herd the masses into the savior solution of CBDCs still coming at us. 

 It just makes no sense to have Trump or Biden as president. If that’s all that we can come up with then what’s even the point? Out of 350 million people we get old dementia guy or narcissistic reality show host? I can’t participate in that. Seems like character should matter to some degree. 

 I think America just really needs a third party candidate to win sooner or later if we ever want any change or don’t want the country to collapse. The duopoly is way too toxic and corrupt, even if we ever manage to get a decent candidate within each of the 2 parties, which never seems to happen. 

 Yes! And there's never been a better chance to make this happen with RFK being so strong, and the other 2 being so awful. But people need to go out and knock on doors and make it happen for RFK. 

 I don't think the economically retarded guy who wants to keep funding a foreign ethno-state's genocide is clearly superior.

And I don't see what good having a 3rd party is going to do. One more bad choice isn't going to fix any of the incentives or make democracy any less retarded. It will just fool some part of the population who might otherwise wake up into thinking the system could still be made to work. 

 I find these kinds of comments disturbing in their nihilism. So what do you propose? 

 Recognizing that politics is generally just a scam to get the slaves to keep voting for new masters is not nihilism. Wasting money & time on politics is not ever going to change anything for the better.

Building technologies that free people from govt controls. Doing productive things to help your friends & neighbors while teaching them about govt corruption & freedom tech. Building a family & raising kids who are happy & productive & anti-authoritarian are the primary ways we improve the world. Politics is downstream from all of that. The political landscape will change once the people already have.  

 There are three choices: Trump, RFK, stay home. You can argue over which one if you think it’s worth your time, but pretty much anyone who is paying attention and isn’t brainwashed will choose one of those three. Not sure which I will choose myself, not sure it matters that much.  

 This is a good response, and thank you for that. I disagree that politics is completely a scam though. Good people can achieve change through politics, even if it is very difficult. US has an amazing opportunity right now with RFK, and people should recognize that opportunity and not waste it. 

 RFK will fuck everyone over too. And he is mentally retarded when it comes to economics & guns & all sorts of critically important issues. 

 There's that nihilism again. RFK has integrity, maybe you've been mislead about him. I suggest watching the "Who Is Bobby Kennedy?" video. On guns he has said he won't take anyone's guns away (except in the hypothetical but impossible case where everyone in Congress somehow manages to agree on a bill) 

 It's not nihilism to have a low opinion of someone who supports the US funding a foreign genocide, while also basically being economically socialist, & caught up in the climate scam, & too stupid to understand the basic need for tools of defense. The fact that he has to promise what he won't do because he is opposed to guns is pretty good evidence that he is retarded.

Even with all the bad I was half interested at first, but the support for Israel's war crimes killed it.

I like Vivek, but the reality is that it makes no sense to place any hope on any politician. The political system is a waste of time. Bitcoin, P2P projects, self hosted Ai, 3d printing & home manufacturing, open source gun designs, & other open source hardware are far more important than any politician.

The first step to defeating any enemy is to stop funding them. The only way to really win is to give people the power to successfully engage in tax protests, whether its done loudly or quietly, that is the real measure of freedom. 

 For sure. Plus, the pro-life issue is a big one. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the ability to protect them three verbally (1A), physically (2A & pro-life) and financially (self-custody & no CBDC) 

 The thesis is essentially that meme: hard times, strong people, easy time, weak people, hard times. The authors of the 4th turning explored the cycle from the perspective of demographics, but the concept also overlaps with Ray Dalio’s observations about an underlying 80 year debt cycle. 

It could be just luck, but they did predict in 1998 that a long crisis would begin mid 2000 which seems to be playing out. 

For me, the 4th turning term is just convenient label. We can all see that there is a sovereign debt crisis unfolding and getting worse. The theory gives us a framework to think about possible ways things might unfold. 

 I agree. I keep looking at the fiscal and social situation of the world and cannot escape the feeling that things will get very tumultuous in the near future.