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ooops, sorry - now added to the original reply, but here as well:

https://northwestbylines.co.uk/business/whos-responsible-for-reduced-productivity/ 
 @43d7c4ea @264363cd I’m a perfect example of that. I first started managing people – with no training – in 1997. Had my first half-day training course in 1998… then nothing till 2018, when I joined my last employer.