Oddbean new post about login | logout Just in case you're missing the point: the innovation is not that it is metered, the innovation is that you can have KYC-free service, just like buying an apple at the corner store doesn't require KYC. This was impossible before bitcoin, and impractical before ecash.
Is paying to connect to random WiFi a thing where you live? I've never seen that in Aotearoa, or in China for that matter. Most people use mobile data (cell network) and WiFi is either password-protected or open and free to use.
"it's not metered, you're paying for time." Pick one. Paying for time or data is what "metered" means. "just like any other ISP." Maybe where you live. nostr:nevent1qqswukn7ych2879snjvfleqhju7zsgxj7fh7tpktgsnvqk7ht6tttkgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygynav3668vjwn379p96hcw4qlevsrg74shnaa2fdymp4zsljfkd4upsgqqqqqqsu2w5du
most ISPs are a subscription model, where you pay per month. This is normal most places. That's metered access, just on a longer timeframe than your willing to consider. But there's really no difference.
Pay one month in advance vs 1 minute in advance. Same principle, just better granularity with LN.
> most ISPs are a subscription model, where you pay per month. This is normal most places. That's metered access, just on a longer timeframe than your willing to consider. But there's really no difference. If you take a taxi, they have a meter, so they can charge you per distance travelled. So that's metered. If you give your mate $10 to drive you somewhere, that's a fixed fee. There's no meter running, so it's not metered. By the same token, if you pay for an internet connection for each hour/ GB you use, that's metered internet. If you pay a fixed price per month for a connection, that's a fixed fee. There's no meter running, so it's not metered. This difference matters. Here in Aotearoa, the move from metered to unmetered internet is a big part of what made it affordable to the average person. The introduction of metered mobile data then created a 2-tier internet. Where some people have unmetered WiFi at home, and can use the net with no time or data limits. While other people can only use the net as much as they can afford mobile credit. IMHO we need to be pushing for universalisation of unmetered internet. So coming up with better ways of metered internet doesn't excited me that much. Sorry.
you want free access, i.e. communism? If not, you need to pay, and there's only two ways to pay, either unlimited data within a paid time window, or per amount of data, time window being irrelevant (mostly, might have expiration).
most ISPs are a subscription model, where you pay per month. This is normal most places. That's metered access, just on a longer timeframe than your willing to consider. But there's really no difference.
Pay one month in advance vs 1 minute in advance. Same principle, just better granularity with LN.
> most ISPs are a subscription model, where you pay per month. This is normal most places. That's metered access, just on a longer timeframe than your willing to consider. But there's really no difference. If you take a taxi, they have a meter, so they can charge you per distance travelled. So that's metered. If you give your mate $10 to drive you somewhere, that's a fixed fee. There's no meter running, so it's not metered. By the same token, if you pay for an internet connection for each hour/ GB you use, that's metered internet. If you pay a fixed price per month for a connection, that's a fixed fee. There's no meter running, so it's not metered. This difference matters. Here in Aotearoa, the move from metered to unmetered internet is a big part of what made it affordable to the average person. The introduction of metered mobile data then created a 2-tier internet. Where some people have unmetered WiFi at home, and can use the net with no time or data limits. While other people can only use the net as much as they can afford mobile credit. IMHO we need to be pushing for universalisation of unmetered internet. So coming up with better ways of metered internet doesn't excited me that much. Sorry.
you want free access, i.e. communism? If not, you need to pay, and there's only two ways to pay, either unlimited data within a paid time window, or per amount of data, time window being irrelevant (mostly, might have expiration).
Pay one month in advance vs 1 minute in advance. Same principle, just better granularity with LN.
> most ISPs are a subscription model, where you pay per month. This is normal most places. That's metered access, just on a longer timeframe than your willing to consider. But there's really no difference. If you take a taxi, they have a meter, so they can charge you per distance travelled. So that's metered. If you give your mate $10 to drive you somewhere, that's a fixed fee. There's no meter running, so it's not metered. By the same token, if you pay for an internet connection for each hour/ GB you use, that's metered internet. If you pay a fixed price per month for a connection, that's a fixed fee. There's no meter running, so it's not metered. This difference matters. Here in Aotearoa, the move from metered to unmetered internet is a big part of what made it affordable to the average person. The introduction of metered mobile data then created a 2-tier internet. Where some people have unmetered WiFi at home, and can use the net with no time or data limits. While other people can only use the net as much as they can afford mobile credit. IMHO we need to be pushing for universalisation of unmetered internet. So coming up with better ways of metered internet doesn't excited me that much. Sorry.
you want free access, i.e. communism? If not, you need to pay, and there's only two ways to pay, either unlimited data within a paid time window, or per amount of data, time window being irrelevant (mostly, might have expiration).