Oddbean

Appreciate your input. On the last part, that illustrates a big difference in perspective - while I totally get that you could read his post as a criticism of various Core devs for 'blocking' or similar, I didn't read it like that; I feel like he's mostly describing that the dynamics don't allow consensus to be reached. It's all hard to define but I don't see how we're going to get to the kind of consensus you're describing or looking for. As a concrete-ish example, take op_ctv, how much of the nonconsensus is 'we're not at all ready to say a different version of this idea isn't better?'. How much weight is given to the philosophical perspective of those who don't even *want* covenants? I have no idea how to do that, or if I should want to. Overall the bar just seems insanely high for any *meaningful* soft fork change. I'm speaking as an outsider mostly of course, so my opinion on these things needs a big caveat.

The dynamic he’s describing (where you have to convince “Core”) strikes me as an incredibly weird way of viewing it, though - it’s just a group of developers working on one project. I don’t really understand this perspective at all, tbh. In terms of “well why didn’t CTV happen”, I responded on Twitter, but there’s nontrivial risk to the act of doing a fork in Bitcoin. That has to be weighed against the value of any fork. For me personally, I didn’t see a single use for CTV that was even remotely compelling (not like I wouldn’t use it, but I don’t think anyone will use it) until Timeout Trees, at which point every has given up on CTV. I don’t think “well clearly we’re just not getting anything” is the right way to look at it. From where I sit, the attempts at adding covenant features to Bitcoin have been half-assed at best.

Everything that uses pre-signed transactions gets improved with CTV. There is nothing complex in understanding this part. Personally, I would use joinpool: https://gist.github.com/harding/a30864d0315a0cebd7de3732f5bd88f0 I have experimented with the idea on signet and it improves coinjoin.