Oddbean

Might be a problem with their analytics because I know there should be a few views on mine because I've watched from multiple IPs and seen someone else watch it live to test something. Still 0 views. @zach I think social feedback within the #Nostr environment is *deeply* ignored and undervalued. People want to jsut kinda beat their chest about "not caring about views or follows" or whatever, without realizing that they and everyone else uses it as a fundamental, first line filter for content. And it's not like "some people are above this," to the contrary its foolish not too. There is so much crap out there, that regardless of the trade offs of doing so, navigating content without that filter is an absurd proposition. It's very much like reviews - the overwhelming majority of people simply do not even entertain products with a 2 star review. People simply don't have the time to have simple filters taken away from them. In that context, I get that stuff doesn't update sometimes, pulling that information might be difficult in certain circumstances, etc. But that sort of data NEEDs to be prioritized or you will never keep creators in this ecosystem. They want to know people are seeing their stuff, or they will leave and wonder why they wasted so much time trying.

Also @nostr.build this is something that you should look into adding as well. Would be cool since nostr clients don't have view data and it's hard to aggregate from multiple relays anyway. Inherently complicated to parse that info. So if people posted to nostr.build and could see how many viewed the file, and exclude the npub of the account itself, that would make a big difference. Also might encourage people to use it since it gives them a central place for the content and to see how their network reach is.

I think that’s a terrible idea honestly. Acting like social engagement information is some sort of enemy or something to be afraid of is only shooting ourselves in the foot, imo. I just think that information should be weighed properly based on your social graph and trust metrics. Not thrown out. It would be the equivalent, imo, to inviting people to a party but where you couldn’t see whether people were listening to anything you were saying, then when people start leaving because there’s no social reward for being there, the party hosts get mad that everyone is too shallow needing social feedback to know people are listening. Maybe this isn’t the reason and I’m just assuming based on other conversations. But a lot of people worry about things around Nostr, and my big worry has always been that a lot of Nostr people seem to be bitter about the foundations of social protocols themselves. If people don’t realize that follow counts, views, likes, zaps, all of this public show of attention is a fundamental, evolutionary level part of what makes social networks enticing to so many, then we will be stuck forever as a “could have been” underdog. Don’t mean to harp on this, but it’s been nagging me for a while and think it’s a big issue and I don’t think a lot of people here realize it. Ignoring it hurts #Nostr, imo. We should be *fixing* its problems, not pretending we aren’t social animals.

Good points, Guy 🙏🏻 nostr:nevent1qqsdk982arlv7pugtdar2w6wcdss52pstgqrmx9h7va8uqxglzrzf7cpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzpw08v4rt5pj9dmfsrk0990zflfywwznt7g5zheap4eefgasjqg7uqvzqqqqqqyma4lfy

I want my feedback to be in zaps. I don’t want you to like my post… like it with 1 sat. Payment can be shared with hosting service. Make me pay to watch further than 15% of the video. This will make video addition rates go down too. Spend to watch

👍🏻 None of this excludes zaps. Similar to saying “only retweets instead of likes,” they are just both options to show support or agreement. The problem is not everyone has easy access to zapping, and this would necessarily be true for people just arriving to #Nostr and trying it out. To the contrary, what we want is for everyone to be zapping, and giving them good engagement info for what they expect is exactly how you get them excited to stay and take the time and energy it takes to learn and use the tools for bitcoin and lightning. If their initial experience feels shallow and unrewarding, they won’t do homework to make it better, they will just be disappointed. IMO, it’s like asking them to climb a ladder and then knocking of the first 5 rings. Zaps are the goal, but there is no safe, one click, instant, no learning necessary way to onboard to zaps, so you have to give them rungs to climb.

Rungs to climb - I like that mental image. So the bottom rung is a “👍🏻” but how do we progress to a proper “⚡️”? Are likes a gateway drug for zaps? No. They are opposing forces. UNLESS… we give people a “like balance” and make it a scarce commodity. When you’re new to nostr you get 50 likes and once you use them all, you have to earn more 🤣 Once you’re out you can only like a post when someone likes your post. We need ThumbCoin and a proper blockchain to track this new asset class.