@44a33f3f I'm saying I see no reason to believe any election in my lifetime was as real as everyone thought it was.  To what extent the cheating existed in each race over the years, by/for whom and through which mechanisms is just a fog of possibility in my mind.  Going forward, there has to be a mechanism of validation to the elections that persists the record beyond just a few years so that we can go back over time and answer this question better.