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NunyaBidness | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Signatures are part of the bitcoin transaction and can not occur anywhere other than the base layer. It's a fundamental part of a bitcoin transaction.
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whoeverlovesDigit | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 You're saying lightning is impossible, but lightning exists

How would Bitcoin transactions ever stop another layer from functioning? Doesn't make sense
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NunyaBidness | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 Lightning payment channels are opened/closed as on-chain transactions. While they’re open they work fine. I have two LN nodes and have operated one of them for 4-5 years. But the fact is that signatures are layer one for true btc transactions.
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whoeverlovesDigit | 5 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 Oh, you do know what you're talking about then.

I'm saying these moves could be "opening channels" for some new corporate equivalent, so the single on-chain signature isn't in any one individual's hands (until the new system gets hacked someday)