Oddbean

Maybe a little, in theory, if you can figure things out yourself. Can't say more yet. Why do you believe this is the biggest hurdle? Are there so many people using nostr who want to tip but don't have a wallet?

The issue is not necessarily the people already using nostr, although there are some here who openly say they won’t spend their bitcoin due to tax implications. But for me the bigger issue/hurdle is the people that an established artist/creator would want to onboard to nostr vs. Patreon. Most people don’t have bitcoin and even fewer are those who have it and will spend it. An artist trying to bring in their existing audience is going to have no way to monetize if they are first forced to orange pill and teach a bunch of people how to use bitcoin. And most artists can’t afford the time that would require.

I’m excited that you’re approaching the issue of building something to replace Patreon. I don’t want my question/feedback to sound like I think it’s a bad idea. But if bitcoin payments are the only option, then an artist’s supporting audience will be limited to only those people who have Bitcoin AND are willing to spend it.

It not really about Patreon (monthly payments to creators), it's just that Patreon is now moving into content platform direction - they're trying to solve the "where/how should you talk to fans" problem, and that what I'm looking at too.

For the sake of discussion and because I care a lot about this topic, I’m going to respectfully push a little on this. Please don’t take it any other way than trying to be constructive. When I watched his video of Conte speaking, one of the things that stood out to me was the goal of honing in on connecting with those true/super fans, and how to engage meaningfully with the “less committed” fans, and hopefully some of them growing into being the next true fans. The entire premise is predicated on the ability for fans at every tier to support the creator financially, which requires payments. Even the fans in the free tier on Patreon are able to buy merchandise. Direct payments to artists are central to the entire idea of what Patreon is doing, and I believe they should also be central to any nostr-centric counterpart. Bitcoin zaps are the best form of payment for this from a technical standpoint, but again the low bitcoin adoption in the general public makes it hard for an artist to rely solely on zaps, and that makes it difficult to devote significant time to building and engaging with a community on nostr vs. other platforms like Patreon. The payments are critical in my opinion, and it can’t be just bitcoin zaps, even though I wish it could be.

I absolutely love your perspective so please keep sharing it! I agree that ultimately it might be about the financial support in most cases. What if existing creator invited their audience to use Primal, which sort of has fiat->zaps. They'd have to invite them somewhere, bcs their fans aren't on Nostr anyway. Could that work?

I think Primal definitely has the easiest onboarding and wallet setup flow. Integration of a seamless fiat-to-Bitcoin payment service like Strike offers would go a long way. Still have the hurdle of getting your fans to sign up for it, and the reality that they’re not available in all regions, but it’s a step in the right direction as I see it. Curious what some of the active creator community already here thinks, like @Ainsley or @Joe Martin 🎶🟠⚡

Yeah, agree. I think the die hard fans are going to go through the on boarding/ soft kyc of Primal to support their favorite content creators directly. I think artist should start making nostr only or nostr-early content to encourage that. Though doesn't Primal wallet use Apple pay with 30% apple tax?

That's until an entrepreneurial Nostr app dev gives each onboarding user a few thousand sats to get them started, and finds a way to seamlessly onramp fiat directly to the user's completely integrated LN wallet. People should not have to deal with a separate signer, LN wallet, Nostr app, fiat onramp...