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 IF YOU ARE USING DAMUS 

USE LESS THAN 15 RELAYS 

IF NOT, YOU WILL HAVE AN UNSTABLE EXPERIENCE 

DO NOT BLAME THE DEV 

BLAME URSELF nostr:note16l0eaa07k6zm953zx4wx600zpqyh5ayhse3ca2lcutgya247fklshfx8yy 
 I use exactly 15. What should I do?! 
 Do you pay for all the paid ones you’re connected to ? or are you just connected to them 
 I do. I was just joking. I’m quite happy with the performance. 
 Saylesssss 🫂 
 Think I’ve heard that before. 
 There’s more design thinking needed around relays. 

How do we abstract away relay details, and yet empower and educate the nostriches to the power of censorship hardened relay model?

A simple in app Damus check and warning of too many relays is a short term bandaid. 

https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/544 
 We should probably give a warning at least 
 nostr:note1rvka5cht3m63lmh5ymqe7d38vxtwdqkzj4xqm5jzxuzz93k7c4lqj3wk3t 
 this is a really good discussion to have, I’m gonna bring it up to the nostriches that regularly attend frog talk today when I open it up 
 I was using 20 when I started seeing blank pages, so I added more. Didn’t help 
 💀 similar journey 
 The Devs need to explain this when opening up the client for setup the first time.

There should be a relay walkthrough.

-THEN- is when it’s not the devs fault. 
 added to GitHub issue 🫡 https://i.nostr.build/ZXy9.png  
 Nice! 
 I’m not on TestFlight and I’m connected to 41, I haven’t seen issues that I am aware of. I have always wondered what the limiting principle is for relays. 
 He is following 800 people. Thats like 50k * 45, or about 2MB of requests. Thats only upload, not to mention download. 
 This reminds me to add relay stats so damus can automatically demote slow and unreliable ones. 
 I’d love performance stats on relays, I’d also love detail on connections between myself and the npubs I follow, follow me, and mutually follow each other. Which of my relays are the only relays I have in common with someone and so pruning it would cut us off from each other. Which relays are needlessly duplicative, and can be pruned. What are the relays that my network has, that could provide the unique connections I have with a redundancy to avoid censorship. A recommended relay for npubs where the relays in common < 2, something like that. I would love more detail on the relays. 👍 
 I sense that Relays ought to contribute to the P2P as tribute to join, perhapste freedom is good at early stages to gain traction for now thou. 
 80 relays for 2 weeks here on Damus.  No problems. 
 WHY WOULD I BLAME MYSELF FOR WANTING TO BE MORE DECENTRALIZED 
 Just add the blaster relay and call it a day 
 Read my other comment 
 This is not a rant. I use Android and Amethyst. Just an app not working right is mare an issue of the dev than an issue of the user. 

Love you Will  
 I have 20+ relays and don't experience problems on Damus 🤷‍♂️ 
 You most likely have unlimited LTE + always on good wifi 

But looking at your relay list.. a lot of them that give you the same reading + writing, that maybe 8 or 10 can do 
 I have been using 80 relays on Damus for a couple of weeks.  No significant issues. 🫡🤙 
 Your contact list is 220k, querying 80 relays would be 18mb per request. Im actually kind of amazed the app is even working. 
 Works perfectly sir 🤙 
 my favorite part of releasing software to the world is seeing all the crazy ways people [ab]use it 
 🤣🤣🤣 
 I’m down to 16 today including my self-hosted relay. Things are running well. 
 Lfgggg you have a couple duplicates, I screenshotted them here my fren 🤝 https://i.nostr.build/Vmm0.jpg https://i.nostr.build/KJJ2.jpg https://i.nostr.build/9JJM.jpg  
 Indeed, not sure how that happened but it’s been fixed! 
 It’s an issue @elsat already documented that happens when you add “/“ at the end, most likely you added it from someone else’s relay list 
 Feel free to add my relay. It's quite fast and used as one of the relay bridges for the fediverse. 
 Which one is yours? 
 wss://nostr.coinfundit.com 
 Haha. I’m just joking. Everything runs quite smoothly.