Oddbean new post about | logout
 i hope it’s just me

but primal is now completely unusable for me due to slowness. web and all. 
 Me too. Its strange. It used to be pretty smooth. 
 Fine here 
 It’s slow for me, too 
 I use Amethyst 🍀 
 I use Amethyst full time but use primal for zaps, I need to get a new wallet  
 Amethyst + Breez /Alby = 🤘 
 Yeah I have been using Damus a lot more recently it is really fast and clean 
 I stopped using primal awhile ago due to this.  
 Are you on Android or iOS 
 Both

Same problems 
 I need to get my wallet off of Primal but I have more than 1000 sats in it. sucks lol 
 It is intermittent. While Primal works, my web client does not. While it dows, Primal seems unresponsive. I wondered it had something to do with my local very restrictive network. Curious to know whatever is happening may be affecting others. 
 It's freaking terrible I hate using it on Android and all my zaps are in their wallet  
 #VendorLockIn 
 It’s probably ReplyGuy gumming up the relays 
 Works fine all day today on iOS 
 Not seeing any problems with primal on IOS. 
 same here, and it’s been like that for a while now 
 and they ignore user input.  
 🫂 
 Been noticeably slower for me (iOS app) the last several days, but force closing and reopening seems to fix it until I need to use it the next time and then it happens again. 
 day 2 on nosrt for me and Primal web version is struggling. It wont even connect to my local relay.  
 @NotBiebs has been single handedly fixing the abandon primal webapp by maintaining a fork. 

@note1m5vfklyhe0qaunnv2u2q4fkwn84wycrz6kg2ke0dwrs64qx9jf3q2y9ffx 
 I think everyone has me muted or something. I’ve posted about this like 500 times in the past week. 😂 
 we’re not the elite nostr devs bruh. 
 yeah ya are. 
 Somewhat cluttered in design as well, and this of course as most constructive criticism there is.

#nostradk is off the hook though
Never enough praise. 
 nostur does a lot of things right. I've moved to using it as my primary mobile client 
 @nostur only need a inside wallet 
 Seems ok for me. 
 well i did not go there so there’s that. damus. @jb55 
 Works great for me 
 You're not alone!

It sounds like you're experiencing performance issues with Primal on both the web and app versions, making it nearly unusable for you. This can be frustrating, especially if you were relying on the service.

Primal is a popular platform among some users, but I'm sure there are others who have also encountered similar problems. If you haven't already, you might consider reaching out to their support team to report your issue and see if they can provide any guidance or solutions.

In the meantime, have you tried any troubleshooting steps, such as:

* Clearing your browser cache and cookies?
* Checking for any software updates on your device?
* Using a different browser or version of Primal?
* Contacting their support team (as mentioned earlier)?

If none of these help, it might be worth exploring other options or alternatives that serve similar purposes. 
 💜 
 use nostur 
 It's always been hard on my cpu, but desktop is working fine for me. Sometimes it bugs out. 
 Notification count in  @primal seem to be inaccurate for the last couple of days, but it's otherwise running normally on desktop for me. 
 @miljan is working on it. Should be fixed next build. 
nostr:note1dmage60w2kc0d02jsedf5xqfgmkfdeet4pdkk5mczzvnj3fs453s6h99qh 
 Not just you.
I haven’t been able to use Primal for severs days.

Nothing loads. Logging out deleting app nothing fixes it

I even tagged @primal the other day and they haven’t posted anything on Nostr in 6 days… 
 Damn I thought it was just me as well 
 Android app has been bogged down for a while, can't do much of anything with it right now 
 I haven’t been able to use it for weeks 
 I went back to Damus as my daily driver. I thought it was just me RE Primal. 
 Nostur is fast than Damus 
 Also for me not the best experience in the last weeks… 
 For me it nearly works perfectly. 
Only the like button often don´t work in the web client. 
And sometimes posts show double till i reload the page. 
But it´s still pretty good 
 idk - nothing slow or changed observed in past week
replyguy is completely invisible in my feed unless i wanna see it by choice in global only on relays which has not enable filters. 
 The advantage of relying on a centralized relay caching proxy is that some things are faster but the downside is you’ve got a single point of failure for all users of the decentralized app. 

I think we need to do work to reduce the need of these centralized caching servers. Or make them more horizontally scalable as part of the protocol instead of a custom overlay.  
 Deploying many horizontally scalable instances is the way. 

One caching service is not interesting. Dozens (or hundreds) of instances is very interesting and could help scale nostr imho.  
 This happens a lot of times. 
But it´s okay, i just need to reload primal

https://m.primal.net/KmNa.png 
 
 Ok, I thought it was me or my phone.  😕 
 nostr:nevent1qqstwf5etda66cpdntqu69jsq8s6rlvr5u0shryfm0h284dqquxurvqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygyzxs0cs2mw40xjhfl3a7g24ktpeur54u2mnm6y5z0e6250h7lx5gpsgqqqqqqsxss4jz 
 It's not just you. The primal dvm's on amethyst and nostrudel crash/don't load as well 
 for me all clients are slow. damus is super buggy on my end. 
 what kind of issues are you running into and what version? @elsat 
 latest app store version. just slow scrolling, profile pics not loading & typing is laggy. 
 Which iOS? 

How is your internet connection?  
 300mbps+

and iPhone SE (2020) 
 oh which version of iOS lol — iOS 17.6.1 
 Huh. Just noticed load lag. Odd, as it has been smooth as silk checking in later 
 same here. loading is slow on mobile 😤 
 I'm looking forward to the release of Damus for Android. 🤓  
 Amethyst seems the best I've tried on Android, but I've only been on Nostr for a week or so, but I binned Primal instantly. 
 You are probably encountering the same infinite loop bug that was happening to me. I fixed it and deployed a fork and have been slowly improving it even more. 

https://notprimal.lol 
 Your version is indeed faster. I imagine it also has less weight on the server.

How can we configure the android app to use your server, just change it to notprimal on the settings?  
 I only changed the frontend. It still uses Primal’s backend. 
 oh no 
 try re-routing to another country if you can and see if its better, often times when its slow that works for me. the web works fine for me.  
 whats your solution? 
 what's the best web client ?  
 Primal Lite! 
 Fast 
 It's perfectly normal here 
 theres room for improvement 
 Not just you 
 primal seems to be working fine, Damus is really slow for me. 
 me too 
 It's not just you. I'm having all sorts of issues with it, and the alternative clients I try have a whole host of issues as well. 

I love nostr, but the technical difficulties are tough to deal with.  
 working fine on pc here so far 
 I think it's just you, Jack, for my DNS settings make it quick (no Cloudflare, knowing how that's garbage). 
 Switch to a pixel running @GrapheneOS and it will work fine 💪🏼 
 It's laggy today, many Reply guys out of nowhere. Bad connection to my relay list if I get it right - it seems like Primal connect me to other relays and spam filter doen't work today. Tomorrow was OK 

nostr:note1kunfjkmm44szmxkpe5t9qq0p587c8fclpwxgnklw5026qpcdcxcq0e0lt9  
 this just randomly happened to me for snort like a year ago and it still doesn't work. Primal still working for me though. Not sure why it happened 
 https://primal.net/e/note1znm98a3zpawrsqeg0lf25d9mwutqxq679sp8swlasufdz2ll2acsszr4wc 
 hmm this link takes me out of the app and to primal web on mobile. odd experience. 
 I’m on iOS and it’s often unusable. I tried to update relays but it appears the app has a bug and I can’t type them in. 
 Feel free to try http://nostrx.xyz/ 
 
 Please tell us what to use as an alternative 
 Strange, looks ok here. 
 Very slow to load at times. But I‘m writing this from Primal (ios) 
 Works fine unless on shitty network. 
 Been very slow for me on my old pixel 4a but i ascribed to the phone since the web experience seems to be fine... but now youre making me doubt myself  
 I find Snort to be much worse 
 💯 agree 
 Clear thine Cache brother.  Mine works fine. 
 It's very slow, they are testing different things. 
 Oh I thought it was only me… but it’s been a month since I’m only using Damus 
 I had to switch to Amethyst. The app was just too slow, and was consuming too much of my battery. 
 No issues for me.  Replying from nostrx.xyz at the moment. 
 Troubleshooting multiple issues both client-side and with the caching service. Aiming to deploy some fixes in the next few days. 

Thank you to everyone who provided feedback over the past few days; it really helped! 🫂  
 Thanks for your continued efforts, @miljan 💪🏻 
 Thanks for doing this great job! 
 tech never easy, keep up with great work 🫂 
 Primal is the best option for me that uses iOS! It will be great if Tor was integrated inside the App! 
 Does not seem that slow for me. I think one of the things i noticed is that browsers have features that limit tracking and things like that.for some reason it effects primal greatly. so i turned them off for Primal. 
 Let us know how we can help Miljan. I have no performance issues but lost metadata (followers) and feed is empty... Persistent after reinstalls and cache cleaning. 

Jungle calls 💫 
 Primal for Android v 1.0.3 (jul 5 '24), running on Android 14 
 strange coincidences 
 Are there problems again? Been about 13 hours not seeing anything on primal. 
 All systems are operational. Which Primal client are you using (web/iOS/android)?  
 iOS. It might just be me. Not sure. 
 All good now. 
 Some feedback. 
When I go to open notes i see only a few replies while there are more shown on display. Recieved zaps also not showing,  in alby i do see them
🙏  
 we've been using NotPrimal.lol its's better at uploads. 
 Thankfully there are other options while Miljan gets things improved. 
 Yo @miljan let’s chat 
 i can’t use the web at all 🤧 
 Works fine here...haven't done a lot though..Just published a note. 
 yes, same here! 
 Works fine for me on #primal. 
Just millionaires affected?
https://media.tenor.com/ylcG_IO5i3gAAAAM/burlakov-how-to-dad.gif  
 Ongoing solar activity has been causing glitches in electrical things. USB and all power cords can pick up unwarranted electrical energy that must be discharged before working properly. Usbc cords seem to be the worst. Unplug all devices from wall and each connection. Tap end of cords to re ground or wait 15 seconds before plugging back in. Speeds increase when all cords are reset after a solar x flare. Hope this helps. 
 Yea. But it shows more notes for some reason. 
 I am using only Primal.  Pls give me some other options.