Is primal the most used onboarding client? I imagine it is up there. I wish they would even add some other options to their sidebar panel, something like 'hashtag discovery', even nostrband's daily trending users list is more interesting and useful than what is on offer now. No idea how hard this is to implement tho lol? #primal 

 It's not hard. It's just not wanted. Software design is about making choices, and they have made other choices. 

 Well, we have that, too. Try to get anyone to respond to you, if you have less than two followers. Assumed to be spam.

That's why the spambots all follow each other, on here. 

 I also understand the reasoning, but ditto not showing accounts who don't have a nip05 doesn't really help. But the spambot dilemma is also a nasty one to solve  

 Nostr is when you can't complain about the software program using the software program.  The equivalent to not being able to complain about Thunderbird in an e-mail sent from Thunderbird. 

 is it that bad?
a client equivalent of mastodon's instance politics?

but yea nostr has a unique combination of FOSS politics and a social network, a different one than mastodon/fediverse, though there are similarities as well, and it may become more similar in the future as there's more adoption and spam/abuse 

 It's a different clique, but it's equally insular and myopic. 

 right, to some degree people are people, there are some social dynamics that are unavoidable, i guess, no matter the intent of the designers 

 Designers always have a target user group, that they are designing to cater to. If that group is "Furries" or "BitcoinTwitter" or "Fashionistas" or "Bible Thumpers", etc., or something similarly specific, then the software will cater to that group.

You have to decide to cater to a much larger and more heterogenous group, to get a different result. That's why communities are the answer, not asking the BitcoinTwitter people to Bitcoin more quietly in their BitcoinTwitter clients on their BitcoinTwitter relays.

Communities are specifically designed to each appeal to different demographics, without the designer having to aim at that demographic. He just builds a platform, that people can "plug" their community into.

If the Furries want to leave Fediverse and come to Nostr, they should do it into a Fediverse Community. Not land in a BitcoinTwitter community, and be like 😱 Where Furries? while people throw steak at them and tell them to stack sats. 

 “while people throw steak at them and tell them to stack sats.” 🤣 🤣 

 We tried to onboard a real-life human female, and she got piled on, by a bunch of memers, and was mass-muted into Nostr nonexistence because she's not a native English speaker and they claimed she writes like a bot. Then I pointed out that our team's sys admin knows her personally, and they were like "Nobody knows him; he's just a scammer."

That doesn't happen, in communities. 

 that's nasty

fwiw, it seems that bluesky looks at the browser language, then by default it shows posts in that language in the discovery view
which was really confusing to me because i interact with the internet pretty much in English only, but i imagine for most people that's a good choice 

 Most of the Germans on here write in English. 

 Yeah, it got ugly. Nobody ever apologized, either.

I guess you got here after they tried to chase me off with dickpics and scat-eating pics in my replies, rape threats or threats to come to my house, bot armies aimed at me, etc. Had to constantly report, report, report, which is why I usually only read from relays I control, now.

Theforest is the result of me trying to figure out how to use Nostr without just being harrassed, the whole time. That's why I know so much about how all this works. 

 i'm so sorry to hear that 🫂 

honestly that was kind of my worst fear when coming here
i haven't actually seen that much really ugly stuff here
which gives me some confidence that this can work
but we'll see i guess... 

 It took us a while to get rid of them all. 

 Never thought I would ever use the phrase "toxic bitcoiners" in the Bitcoin community, but yes, they are overinfluential in nostr.

Do most communities get along well? 

 i think the idea of communities is that they don't have to, they can just post their own stuff in a sort of bubble 

 I know. I was curious for other reasons. Meh, It's not important.  

 Well, it starts with the fact that I'm constantly being muted by some of the biggest npubs. Only thing worse than not being followed by them is being muted by them. Their mute list is often just me, some crypto spam, bots who post gibberish, ReplyGuy, and some hardcore porn. That's how much they absolutely despise me and these people DETERMINE WHAT WE LOOK AT.

Then, they get my npub recommended to them, as a good follow, and they're like *shudder* no way. "She's stupid. Nothing she writes is interesting. She does not respect TheDevs. She doesn't even have a grant. Nobody likes her. She doesn't understand computers. She's a Marxist. She's AI." And etc. Etc. Etc.

Someone with a big account telling everyone I'm a horrible person basically takes me out of the running.

Then, they ask around for people to add to the recommendation list, who write about something other than Bitcoin and I never make that list, even if people actively suggest me. I'm one of the few active npubs that actually writes anything. There are hardly any real writers, here. I'm an asset, but they don't want people to see me. They would rather people see nothing, than see my stuff.

These people have it in for me and they completely own this place, and they own it even more, ever day. 

 None of this should matter to me, is the point I'm trying to make. A handful of people shouldn't be able to decide what everyone looks at. 

 I've seen the mutes.  

 It's not that difficult to log into any user's npub to see what they see either. Maybe client devs should do that once and a while.