I mean, are Anderson Cooper & other CIA people not just totally in the tank for the Clintons & others? The FBI is also clearly protecting them all in some form or fashion. They put forth the idea that the laptop was Russian disinfo prior to the election. It seems like all of the above have been working against Trump. 

 Both sides are useful idiots. I think Trump caught them off guard by winning and they were in damage control in terms of narrative. Trump was a wrench but fundamentally not a threat, or he would have been off'ed in his first term. In my mind this election cycle's fuckery is just getting started. With the left's newfound disdain for Israel maybe their role will flip this cycle, where Trump's "law and order" "thin blue line" state-idolizing admirers will be more useful in supporting the martial aspects, as the left are prodded on by the media to go nuts. 

 There are a lot of boomer conservatives fully in the tank for Trump & they defend him even when he does stupid shit. And that makes him dangerous whether this is all some sort of conspiracy or not.

But I think it's more realistic to see that there are a bunch of extremely petty & narcissitic people who are all grasping for power. Many were mad that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-lago many years ago & disliked that he didn't want to climb their social ladder, so they went out of their way to insult him (Obama saying I'm something you'll never be, president), and I think that may have been enough motivation for the ego maniac Trump to want to show them up. And because Trump is not really a part of their cult, they don't have the sort of dirt on him needed for control so TDS is off the charts.

I can't imagine them all pretending to play these roles with the sort of loyalty that would be required otherwise. 

 I agree with this completely. The vitriol with which they treat Trump tells me that he isn’t playing their game. Doesn’t mean he’s a great person by any stretch, either. 

 I agree that the die hard trump fanboys are potentially dangerous. 

 Trump is absolutely a part of the establishment. There is no question about that. I think they prefer someone easier to control, but will work with what they've got. 

 I’m not outright dismissing that Trump may actually be in the establishment, but if he were, why would they go to such lengths to keep him out of office? Why would they spend his entire presidency trying to get him out? Why charge him with all those crimes?

I don’t have an opinion on whether the shooting was a conspiracy, a PR stunt, or anything else. So keeping that aside, it really feels like the establishment is greatly threatened by him. 

I’m not a Trump supporter, I try to look at everything he does objectively. Some I like, some I don’t. But the constant barage of Orange Man Bad really makes it hard to believe he’s establishment. 

Otherwise, you’re left with the conspiracy that they’re doing all this to paint him as anti establishment while he secretly is part of it. I don’t think the govt is capable of doing that to this level. All the conspiracies that seem to be true are sloppy with narratives that have tons of holes. 

 They are propping him up by making it look like they oppose him. Playing off distrust of the establishment. Everything done to him, everything said about him, is designed to push people to him. WEF theme this year is Rebuilding Trust. This is one of the tactics to bring the disillusioned back into their game. 

 Idk man, the amount of coordination needed to really pull this off would be immense. I’m not saying it’s not possible, but that’s a really, really tall order. Of course, they’ve conned us all before, but this would be pretty difficult. Especially if you were to claim the shooting was also toward that end. 

 They coordinated actually killing a president in broad day light. Never had a problem keeping that covered up. They murdered 3000 Americans on live TV. They got that shit locked down pretty good. They conspired and got the governments of the world to go covid crazy. Still waiting on prosecutions. But somehow, this is impossible to coordinate? Come on 

 JFK was killed over 50 years ago. It was a completely different time. That’s apples and oranges, as far as I’m concerned. The availability of information was a fraction of what it is now. Dissenting voices literally couldn’t get through, at least not at a scale enough to meaningfully convince people at the time. 

I firmly believe the CIA killed JFK. I’m not sure if they coordinated 9/11 and Covid or just simply took advantage of situations to help their objectives. But whether it was entirely planned/coordinated or not, all of these incidents were insanely sloppy with tons of people bringing fourth evidence that makes it clear there was at least some level of conspiracy. 

 So you see no possibility whatsoever this was an inside job? Just a random antifa clown with an AR and it all went down because of nothing but incompetence? Sure why not. And they didnt intentionally lie the past four years. The science just kept changing and everyone was always right on cue with the change. Yea just coincidences and incompetence for sure🙄 

 No dude, that’s not at all what I’m saying. I do see a possibility, I just don’t think it’s likely that they did this to prop up Trump as he’s secretly part of the establishment. I fully expect all sorts of fuckery to come out of this and for some kind of conspiracy to exist, just not the one where it’s revealed Trump is establishment. I think it’s far more likely he’s not and that this was an attack from the establishment. 

This doesn’t mean I think Trump is some hero, either. 

 Oh he's def establishment. But there isnt one cohesive 'establishment'. Just because the faces and puppets hate him, and that I believe is real, doesnt mean the puppeteers dont have a use for him. Not really saying he is aware of this, but a thin skinned narcisst is very easily manipated. And then there are his supporters who excuse all his actual crimes. Not my post, but I have been saying this since his covid crimes.
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 Oh this is a great point. I could absolutely see him being manipulated by them. Trump supporters and their inability to criticize him drive me mad. 

 Yes. This is my real concern with all of it. Whatever really happened we will never know for sure. But what this will be used to justify will almost certainly not be good 

 Yup. My other fear is Trump wins and seeks vengeance and turns the US into a third world country where it’s completely normal for politicians to be murdered and a hot civil war ensues. 

 I think he's in. This sealed it. I mean I think he was always gonna be the 'winner' but this will give more support for sure. And yea, the payback attitude has me worried. Tit for tak spins out of control real quick. 

 To further clarify, I don’t think all of Covid was planned. They 100% coordinated to further their ends once it started. I think it likely leaked from a lab, and probably initially thought to be not a big deal, but they blew it up on purpose. Possibly to hurt Trump but also because they’re greedy fucking pigs. 

Similarly, I don’t think the us gov was actively involved in planning 9/11, but let things play out to further their interests. 

 These are good questions. I think it’s a good idea to look at incentives. Are people more emotionally involved now with this election? Are they more likely to follow trump even if he calls for things that are ultimately bad for us? Like martial law? More surveillance? Think of 9/11 and how it was used to add more restrictions and surveillance on citizens. 

 I think there are definitely conspiracies, but the conspiracies are mostly compartmentalized and/or conspiracies of ignorance among people with common financial incentives. There are some fairly smart people involved, but they are also ethically retarded & just good at creating bad incentives. They work in broad strokes, so the closer anyone gets to trying to micromanage a specific outcome the more obvious it becomes