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 At dinner with some (older) family friends who escaped communism…

“Communism taught us to run away from the devil… now we’ve found the devil here as well.”

If you are a “westerner” and have not studied communism, you may find this statement strange… “how can the USA be anything like communism?” you ask. 

But this is what people who escaped communism feel, and I promise you they know better than you what communism feels like; they lived it. 
 The truth hurts sometimes, and this one hurt 😓 
 Family member who was on of the children saved in "Operation Peter Pan." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peter_Pan

Sadly, it was basically a precursor to the crap we have now (you can't separate the families!) but I did get to go to Cuba and see her old house.

A single family home was divided into FOUR houses for FOUR families. They just tossed up walls in places to make it happen.

It's knocking at our door, America.

Don't sleep on this. 
 The United States cannot fall — powered by bitcoin, we will inspire and lead a peaceful and moral revolution of the West, if God wills it. 
 Every State can and will fall eventually.

If something cannot go on forever, then it will stop. 
 I meant “cannot” as a normative statement as opposed to a technical statement, but I agree that it will *eventually* 
 The Moral revolution can begin with dismantling the military industrial complex and ending US involvement in genocide, and mass manipulation of other countries. US foreign policy is a blight on any attempt to establish justice in this country. 
 From whence did they escape its grasp? 
 Nice try, spook ;) 
 Ghosts and spooks need love too 😹 
 communism is when the government owns everything 
 Like government regulations destroying small businesses and the middle class and replacing them with government regulatory jobs.  
 From whence means "where". 
 I know the definition. I'm asking what kind they escaped from? 
 "Old friends who escaped communism": Chinese who lost the war and whose family were cursed to 9 generations, Russians ("good Russians") or eastern Europeans dying for a mcdonalds and reebok shoes. Is there a family who dont know these types of "I know communism bc a lived under it"? Even Brazilian soyboys who run to live in Florida will swear they just escaped from Brazilian authoritarian bloody communism regime 😂
Liberals being liberals realizing their beliefs were always fairy tales.  
 Communists run on long cycles. The Marxist takeover of liberal arts education in the US was a plan laid long ago and it is reaching maturity with Kamala. 

Ultimately they will fail. The American South will never give up their guns. The soldiers disproportionately are conservative. They can prop up all the trans admirals and generals they want. The boys with the guns (who will pull the trigger) will never turn on true American values. 

They deeply misunderstand how badly we mistrust and hate the government.  
 I hope you are right and Kamala never have a seat at the oval office. That's enough of cultural sh*t being exported from US and EU to the world. BTW, why you guys call them communists? The communists countries I have know are way closer to Trump values than democrats. 
 Because of the Democrats marxist principles:
- price controls
- totalitarian control 
- media control 
- identity politics 
- enlarging central role economics
- undermining liberty
- constitutional reform
 
 Wait what??? 
 Sounds like some right-wing fever dream. In reality, the so called “Americans” with “American” values, many who are descendants of the colonizers who originated this violent settler state, are facing a deterioration of their livelihoods. Be it economic or otherwise, I don’t think I will be sad to see the results of institutionalized ignorance and bigotry slowly fade to irrelevancy. It’s not fair that elites lied to people to control them, but it’s also not fair the hateful-spawn and pseudo-Christians and white nationalists get to terrorize people and claim a land their ancestors genocided their way to power in. The American myth needs deconstruction and confrontation with its violent reality, perhaps inflicted upon the true believers, until we as a nation can begin to establish justice, the so-called principles which the Preamble enshrines. 
 None of your descriptions fit the group I am talking about…

I promise you none of the people I am with are “liberals” in the *modern* sense of the word. 
 C'mon, invite them to the live talk show. 
 Spot tf on 
 I have learned more from those who escaped communism than any class in school could ever teach. 
 agree, i also think when receiving information from a source with direct experience with the topic at hand you’ll always get closer or the whole truth vs one without 
 Amen to that, brother. 
 I’m very had similar experiences 
 💜 
 I lived in it and I can tell you you’re not anywhere near communism here in this land 
 I'm a redneck Cuban (Ruban). I also worked with a lot of LATAM and Eastern European countries. We are well into it here. This is no longer incompetence by the ruling class. This is deliberate orchestrated collapse of the nation. And what's messed up is that it's coming from the "Americans". From within. All western nations. Classic communist revolutionary tactics used to bring about communism. It's voted in then enforced through hunger and gov violence. 
 I've been telling people around me for the past year or two that it's been here - no one believes 
 of course, many states have been turned into communism

not all 
 Scary.  
 The night is always darkest just before the dawn. 
 I lived some time under communism and honestly US isn't that bad yet. 
There are definitely things shifting in that direction over the last 15 years, but it's not "millions of people died due to communism" bad yet.  
 Nostr has edits.

Also all of those things are features of government, regardless of the party ostensibly running it. Socialists, statists, and republicans are all basically the same thing. Only anarcho capitalists are true Americans. 
 *Nostr has edits*

Lol nostr is an open protocol. Nostr has scabies if you want to implement it in a client, but that doesn't mean those features are broadly available. 

Don't agree with your 'True American'  are Anarcho capitalists. This land will always belong to those willing to fight for it. America is peak FA/FO. Try and take what's mine and find out. The illusion of central control is just that: an illusion. But the illusion calms the people right up until you fuck around just a little too much and you find out. 

The Uniparty correction is incoming. The global slave state doesn't have much legs to run. Fighting people like to have something to fight for.