Oddbean new post about login | logout I’m running out of choices where to move. Seems like Europe is in total chaos and have draconian law against freedom. So minus Madeira or Switzerland! Middle East is on the brink of war. Minus Dubai! LATAM is too far and not developed well. The struggle is real !
move to Lugano, you’ll be fine.
Too expensive
What the average living cost ?
expect north of 3k/mo
I spend ~6k here in Chicago 😖
You’ll be fine in Italy. Focus on Sicily, Tuscany, Umbria, Marche, Liguria, and Lombardy regions
Isn't Etna erupting?
Yessir, don’t need to be right next to Etna though lol. Palermo and Trapani would be fine.
Also, another reason to move to Italy is that if the house isn’t considered a luxury home, there’s no property tax. It’s typically any home less than 1 million euros. Income wise, capital gains on stocks is 26% and Italy has a deal for no dual taxation if you’re a U.S. citizen up to like $135k equivalent (Italy has a flat tax up to €100k and no extra taxes after that).
LATAM is probably still the best bet, tho i'm facing similar issues
Costa Rica would make sense but man it’s going to be a big downgrade for me 😅
Yeah CR is on my list as well, its a bit shitty with flight connections to Europe tho. And it seems very expensive from brief look
Yeah i wanted something closer to europe
IKR!
Yeah. Never thought that it’s going to be a challenge
I have been struggling with those exact thoughts for the past year... I was thinking a lot about Switzerland too. But now they seem to force Bitcoin companies to do KYC as well. Madeira seems interesting... I also thought at some point for New Zealand but it's way too far and isolated.
New Zealand is way too Socialist. Did you see their Covid response? 2020 highlighted a lot of unsafe countries.
I mean, here in the USA and Europe same shit! 95% were locked
Ah yes good point, they were a bit too draconian... Damn, what place is left then? The world feels too small sometimes...
I knew someone that was really successful in New Zealand, but left to retire early in Italy ~20 years ago, complaining that NZ was already too Socialist.
Hmm interesting...
New Zealand is also on my radar if world will be heading into the war but yeah other than that it’s too far and I doubt that my parents and friends will be visiting us
It's a beautiful place, but it seems to have turned into a police state since the plandemic
Ser, last week I was asked to use sanitizer and put the gloves in Chicagoan bookstore 😂
Damn, WTH
Communists are everywhere 😁
https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-08-08-new-zealand-legalizes-forced-vaccinations-refusers-tied-down.html https://image.nostr.build/392c26dbeb4441bff8b6b73d0b43aef9d16a18b9576eac17dcce2135439fbbe3.jpg https://image.nostr.build/293d0df8782f0cc4c6bd946a31074f0edd0cbff1679f975e0b0ecd6fd191c9c3.jpg
Oh shit. But proposing doesn’t mean that it will be passed in the senate
Southwestern Ontario (far from Toronto).
Oh no, Canada is communist country sorry 😂
This has been on my mind for some time too. Phuken fiat money destroys everywhere. nostr:nevent1qqsf8cry7puc5utuflxudzq7pmrqwylhky32an92r9g7sclmzgakr5qpremhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet59upzq9thu3vem5gvsc6f3l3uyz7c92h6lq56t9wws0zulzkrgc6nrvymqvzqqqqqqy6lf0c2
Stop thinking laterally and start thinking vertically. Dig out trenches and lay down some shipping containers. However many guns you think you need, get more than that.
I hear good things about Costa Rica
Me too! And they have bitcoin jungle, and chill vibes with 🌊 but man it’s gonna be kinda village life that makes me think what I will gonna do over there. and not too many friends and my parents would be able to fly that far.
https://www.visitcostarica.com/en You'd have plenty to do. :)
I meant from the business prospective. Opening bitcoin bar on the beach 🤔
How’s your Russian salad game? You could probably locally source most ingredients for bitcoin…. Not a serious suggestion but I did make myself hungry. https://i.nostr.build/aEfdcDB5G1GpkCHJ.jpg
Vinigret zaebis salad.
You like giant insects?
I don’t think that it would bother me.
Germany, Czech, Malta, Portugal or El Salvador
El Salvador is dictatorship so it’s definitely no go! Gotta take a look at Malta and Czech(I might even be able to understand their language a little bit)
Everyone speaks english in malta and czech. Czech is quite close to other slavic languages. Raz, dva, tři ... Malta is quite expensive, esp. for property. Both have bitcoiners.
We’re looking at St. Kitts & Nevis and Malta primarily. Madeira is an option. I learned about Lugano, Switzerland from @joenakamoto It has a very high adoption for Bitcoin payments in the shops, bars, restaurants etc… You can even pay your taxes and buy a house in Bitcoin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENncoHFMmwo
Probably Iceland or albania
Try getting into Lichtenstein. Won't be easy
The only one place I would be looking is Lugano
You were saying Bali & Thailand?
Bali is very small. So I decided to take it out from my list. Thailand is still on the radar but definitely not the Bangkok
I’m also bullish on Thailand. It also rhymes with my name. 😁 Maybe @MaxDeMarco can say a thing or two. Afaik, he’s living there rn.
Yes. I liked it there. Costa Rica right now is my fav though. But it’s expensive af
What’s the monthly budget ?
Need at least 1.5k but more like 2k
That’s 3.5x less than I spend here in Chicago 🤣
For one person? 👀👀
For me and my wife
Liveaboard sailboat 🏴☠️
Texas, Florida, Wyoming. Don’t bet against the U.S.🇺🇸
Nah, 8 years of America is enough for me 😁
Oh well I tried ✌️
Saudi will be the new dubai and they won't allow wars there
Rural France is great! Cheap Wine, Good food and good wine and Cheese, and don't forget the pâtisseries, wine and the cheese, the bread, wine and cheese. The scenery is awesome and you get regularly eat cheese and drink wine, what more could you ask for, maybe more bread, wine, cheese and fresh salads vegetables and don't forget the cheese. And meats they're all good too! Each region is run by a Mayor who listens to its citizens or else they'll lose their jobs but don't forget to try the cheese.
Masan, after olimpics I don't even want to visit France for a few days 😃
Idk wtf “Masan” 😂
LATAM is fine in most places below the Tropic of Capricorn.
Too far? You only have to go once!
Yeah but I have a friends and family that will not be flying over there to visit 😅
another advantage! ;-)
lol
Puerto Rico may be an option Actually an island is a good bet
Nah
Mexico City is not far and very developed.
Im Swiss myself and this could honestly be a great option if you can make it happen. Switzerland is kinda slept on right now, but they are pretty far already with Bitcoin and historically know the value of good and hard money. And they are great with finances overall. And they are not in the EU. I hear very good things to about Costa Rica too. It might be interesting to keep an eye on Japan over the years to come. Too early to say. Also, don’t sleep on Eastern Europe. It’s lovely and quite affordable. But it depends a bit on how it turns out with „Russian expansion plans“.
Let's build a citadel.
There’s one going cheap in Gozo, Malta https://image.nostr.build/1d4b86f6ca842f5f9e734c4e04979f478f49fd9ee794faafe57d337b95f5f1cb.jpg
Donetsk at the front has your name all over it.
