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 Right, thanks, that helps quite a lot. I do get where you're coming from with the "leak private key" concept, that's of course intrinsic/fundamental to Schnorr sigs so it makes sense to at least think about it as a deterrent.

It's pretty whacky, but this combination gives you something like what you want: imagine 2 of 2 musig between user A and relay R. A gives R an adaptor on its partial sig sigma_A' where the adaptor secret is its own private key. Then R gives sigma_R and A can *internally* verify the full signature on the musig aggregated key against the message. If it broadcasts that full signature, it leaks its private key. 
 Interesting... I need to do some testing, but maybe this is the beginning of a modified Nostr protocol for enterprises and trully private groups.

I do think there is a lot of need and money waiting for solutions in that realm.  
 Interesting it is :) But practical? I guess maybe not? We need a version of these ideas that doesn't involve non-trivial interaction between the client and the server (relay), right? I'm finding myself drawn back to "HMAC"; because that was always the traditional solution to this problem, i.e. only the two parties involved in the conversation can verify. There are so called "algebraic HMACs" that can use EC arithmetic instead of hashes. I'll take another look at that.