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JeffG | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 It's ok Doug. Remember, both sides of the curve win. While I think I'm on the same side as you, I'm sure neither of us are in the middle. 🫂
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DOUG | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag 
 I know and agree...
To give you my thoughts... It seems the tradeoff is worth it. One thing worth asking from my perspective is : how necessary is it to actually save the work for clients and relays? Are they already, or presumably will be taxed for resources?
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JeffG | 3 months ago (raw) | root | parent | reply | flag +1 
 I think it is important. Less for relays and more for clients. Using gift wraps means that you're open to the possibility of getting DDOS'ed which messages that you have to decrypt to see if you're even interested in the content.

Having to send messages to many users (fanout) defeats one of the main reasons for using MLS in the first place. We want big groups to scale really well and be easy and fast for clients to update. In this way, they pull down only the events that they care about (for the groups that they're in) and only have to do a single decryption to get all the data they need to properly process the message content.