Oddbean new post about login | logout THIS IS A BIG ONE FAM. SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THEIR TEAM DURING DEVELOPMENT. PRIORITIES ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACES. FOCUSED AND DELIBERATE. https://proton.me/blog/proton-wallet-launch
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AWESOME. Proton Mail & VPN are top-tier. This appears to make sending bitcoin as easy as sending an email... While being self-custodial. Love to see it.
Been with them from the start...
GM great to see that development
Fuck Proton, just fuck it. I see Proton, I walk right past.
Why?
Awesome. Probably won't use it (because sparrow), but great to see.
Testing all proton functions. Particularly, I really like to use email for certain actions! And what caught my attention here is the encrypted layer and more secure than usual.
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You received an invite already, right? Couldn't invite you a second time. 😁
Awesome to see this, and such impeccable timing.
This seems big. Exciting.
Given their stated goals in the article, no lightning support makes this an incomplete product. They have it where you can send to proton users via their email address rather than a Bitcoin address. Maybe that's alright but to stop there and think you've improved the UX much is pretty outdated. They gotta have proton lnurls man.
https://github.com/ProtonWallet/andromeda Based on this, I believe they're planning to add Lightning
Not your servers, not your country, not your data. Proton is based in Switzerland, a socialist country, which hosts and is friendly to all the ultra evil institutions. (The UN, WEF, WHO, etc.) Using their services makes it legally easier for 3 letters to grab your data, plus they hand over people's data all the time. Proton is not as secure as everyone thinks. I'll keep my private data services in the USA, self-hostrd by me, thank you.
> A socialist country This made me lol.
Do you not believe their encryption is legit? What data would they be handing over if it's all encrypted at rest?
If you need an email to register a proton email, they say it is only for spam protection and not stored. Then how do they know when an email is already used? It could be tested against a Merkel tree but how do we know if they implemented it that way or are just lying?
So you host your own email server?
At the very least, keep your email provider in your own country. nostr:nevent1qqsgq7mkcufc2xt2zm7adjepsxez2hc037ukpz2xzj0pm3nppkldpdcpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchsygzdhl9hchwmsfyln3lt3ss7qx0s37lm0mzaa42q3ds5ty97hrgkj5psgqqqqqqss2jzr3
Those doing the surveillance want an identity touch point, and if you host your email service then it can be gotten from your domain registration (even if it is hidden, there is a fiat transaction to buy it). A workaround is to buy a domain with bitcoin from njal.la .
Many do but email is doomed anyway as the other end of every communication is usually gmail.
Obligated to comply. https://i.nostr.build/E8sNfS8bWHhZrgPa.jpg
A centralized or closed source decentralized tool can't provide protection against state actors. Proton is - willingly or not - a honey pot.
If proton wallet eventually supports #monero will one be able to sign up anonymously for the wallet, then get a _paid_ proton account anonymously by paying in monero from the anonymous proton wallet? Hmm 🤔 Previously it was tough to get a fully anonymous proton account because of the fiat payment step.
Yeah, go figure ... nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzq3huhccxt6h34eupz3jeynjgjgek8lel2f4adaea0svyk94a3njdqy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3uamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3dwp6kytnhv4kxcmmjv3jhytnwv46z7qpq83mskr6wls26gwftyqf6c2zuar0mvly362vk2na9w9em8plgk3tqtt6vh6
For some reason the blog post from Proton speaks highly about their persecution for wanting private emails and then they proceed to ignore private money like Monero. Very sus.
Very sus indeed 🤔🧐
Really excited for this! And moreover if they had the foresight of having true bitcoiners working with them during development!
Looking forward to their integration of Nostr DMs into Proton Mail.
That's cool
why does it need email?
because it doesn't have Nostr 🙃
Because you can send sats to an email address which has Proton Wallet enabled. No address reuse, gpg signed btc address by your gpg private key but probably exposing the bitcoin addresses or in the worst case even the xpub to nostr:nprofile1qqsvc5xwftq6can0768j6eql250cv6v6k7cq7aakqe3l9meg75pt2ncpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmny3tuzkj. https://proton.me/support/wallet-bitcoin-via-email
Steer them away from making shitcoin wallets down the line
People will be able to send bitcoin to protonmail email addresses 👀 Protonmail is winning nostr:nevent1qqstcuvn5ayxdlm2ucq5uvkmvua72jqf05ve6r6vhn96sz8h68p4qfqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsygqyey2a4mlw8qchlfe5g39vacus4qnflevppv3yre0xm56rm7lveypsgqqqqqqs62ukx0
Can someone explain to me why this is good? Sounds like another custodial wallet.
TLDR: potentially expands adoption the right way. There are over 100 million proton accounts. For comparison, there are around 10 million bitcoin addresses with more than $1000 worth of btc. This wallet exposes many tech savvy and privacy focused individuals with an easy to use custodial wallet. Also, sends BTC by email. LFG
It's self custodial.
Forgive the pedantry, but wouldn’t it not be fully self-custodial if you are giving or storing your keys with another party? If they can sign transactions for you they can also sign transactions to steal from you
Wasn't expecting this gift.
Proton se ha convertido en una de mis compañías favoritas 🤙🏻 nostr:nevent1qqstcuvn5ayxdlm2ucq5uvkmvua72jqf05ve6r6vhn96sz8h68p4qfqpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qqny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysxpqqqqqqzllyr4h
is proton email address becoming lightning address? not clear if that is blockchain only...
No Lightning support yet, afaik. Just onchain.
Hopefully later. says "Bitcoin and Lightning" here: https://github.com/ProtonWallet
LOVE Proton! Using it for everything I can for the last couple years. If anyone has a code and wants to send it my way I’d sure appreciate it. 😎
MASSIVE
Seems like a game changer. nostr:nevent1qqstcuvn5ayxdlm2ucq5uvkmvua72jqf05ve6r6vhn96sz8h68p4qfqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygqyey2a4mlw8qchlfe5g39vacus4qnflevppv3yre0xm56rm7lveypsgqqqqqqsz5hdmd
I'm sure there are great people working for Proton. For me Proton has lost it's integrity. Maybe someday they can earn it back but it won't be easy. My mind set is plan on dumping any and everything centralized, if possible. Learn how to self-host your own stuff or use decentralized solutions.
I like Proton. I'm a paid user. But in the back of my mind I always wonder if its a honeypot.
I am in the same boat. Love the product and the projected ethos though.
Concur with this
How is the centralized proton mail thingy not a honeypot for gullible people who understand that they have something to hide but don't understand that centralized services can't help them? There is over 6000 wallets out there. Do we really need this one? Why exactly?
But they want to add shitcoins to this wallet later on.
Do they? https://image.nostr.build/e3ddf71650a8ac8c984284fb6d0aed6c7544bc3ecd0916ebea95931b8331549d.jpg
Yes and KYC bitcoin too. Any other doubts? https://image.nostr.build/f2b0eff322744dd8553a9f74bda79c91d1089892bb8a02d0ab45190df2d44037.jpg
THIS IS THE WAY 🫂🧡🤙WEN LIGHTNING? ⚡⚡⚡
We're slowly moving towards a paradigm in which companies who don't integrate bitcoin into their products and services will be frowned upon. Gradually, then suddenly... nostr:note1h3ce8f6gvmlk4espfcedkeemu4yqjlgen585e0xt4qy005wr2qjqwf3rkf
The Proton Mail Plus subscription is only about $3 a month, well worth it
That 2 year sub for under $90 is 🤌
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Lots of talk about privacy and freedom, but then ZERO support for Monero. There is ZERO privacy with bitcoin, you all know that.
I recently learned about BIP-352 "silent payments" which kind of remind me of adding Monero-esque protection to Bitcoin transactions, but no mention of that either lol
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> A great summary of the three main reusable payment code schemes has been provided by Ruben Somsen, the author of Silent Payments in the gist for Reusable Taproot addresses. https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/proposed-bitcoin-privacy-improvements/
Uhhh ohh. Thank you for correcting me, providing a source url and sorry for my misinformation. Sorry to Ruben for dropping you.
I had no idea who to give credit until you had me look it up 🤝 thanks for being on nostr
This is not entirely true and I belive you know that already. Bitcoin provides pseudo-anonymitiy and if you're on the receiving end, you can maintain privacy by never reusing your pubkeys. But I get what you mean, probably. There is not much sender privacy by default.
There is a solution that assures privacy and freedom. It is used widely on the streets since years and it is NOT bitcoin. At this moment the only ones still promoting BTC are 1) maxis because of speculation, 2) naive people that know nothing else and 3) government-compromissed entities. Very sus from protonmail. Everyone else minimally informed has zero problems or worries with monero, transactions and holdings are simply private beyond doubt.
Yes, I get your point I think. Appreciating the privacy which Monero offers comes with tradeoffs some don't want to take while holding the Monero (me included). On the other hand in some use cases I used Monero myself. However from my understanding right now, I do not want to hold a significant value in Monero.
If you wouldn't hold today a significant value in Monero, you also wouldn't hold a significant value in bitcoin ten years ago. I'm writing this as someone who actually mined bitcoin using only CPUs back in 2009. If you are in crypto for the sake of privacy and freedom, this is what we should be supporting rather than casino virtual coins.
Wow, this one came out of left field. I was a proud Proton customer, now a proud and very excited one!!
Is there an invite link?
Hook me up with early access, please?
Whirlpool!? Do my eyes deceive me? https://m.primal.net/JcoQ.png
I think my proton subscription was the first thing I‘ve spent bitcoin for. Very cool that they are doing this 🤓
This is a big deal. Haven't tested yet but I plan to. Happy to see a company like Proton jumping into the Bitcoin wallet space. nostr:note1h3ce8f6gvmlk4espfcedkeemu4yqjlgen585e0xt4qy005wr2qjqwf3rkf
love to see it!
Aren’t you automatically doxxed to them, in some way, by connecting your Proton mail account to this?
There is already no privacy when using bitcoin in the first place. Kind of ironic seeing a blog post advocating for freedom and privacy, complaining they were chased by governments and PayPal to then pretend that Monero doesn't exist. Way too suspicious.
Gotta check it out seer!
NICE
LFG!!!
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so many crazy announcements this week 🗽
Awesome 😎🤙
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The drones on Reddit are having kittens over this announcement as expected...
Is proton the company that upon request gave EU prosecutors email data of their users ? If so, they can go to hell https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/pjqs5b/anonymous_email_provider_protonmail_deanonymizes/
Another protonmail leak to Eu authorities https://restoreprivacy.com/protonmail-discloses-user-data-leading-to-arrest-in-spain/
this is the closest you ppl have gotten to onboarding me. wow.
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