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 the most self proclaimed "selfless" people i've come across don't seem to achieve very much 
 There's materials and spiritual achievements

The material world doesn't recognize spiritual achievements 
 engineers are always impressed by artists because they do things the engineer cannot, shame it's not reciprocal

typically engineers are quiet modest achievers and are single minded so they're easy to manipulate just by threatening their life's work 
 Yes! 
 think about it, a smart engineer sees someone who's better than them at engineering as a mentor or someone they can learn from whereas artistic types seem to just be jealous, bitter, dismissive and narcissistic, not in every case but in many

it's very interesting how nostr has so little trolling going on, makes you wonder how much "trending" and "controversy" is completely manufactured algorithmically and with botnets
 
 Two types of people who don't see the world the same way

We all need to invert our POV see the other side, and it will make sense

Especially those who share the same fundamental principles 
 we just need systems like nostr that ignore bad behavior, we know what works, look at el salvador and how quickly they turned things round just by doing what is obvious to many 
 Shared principles 
 also just the fundamentals