Oddbean new post about login | logout Your country fucked you! Not Ukraine !
This is true. Ukraine has been an extension of the US government since 2014.
I don’t disagree. I’m not American though. Yet I’m still funding this fucking lunacy, a war that cannot be won.
There is a saying to this “do not shift your responsibility to others”
Great. So you’re happy for the West to cut funding and leave Ukraine to fund this lunacy trying to fight Russia itself? Right?!!
Yes, it will end up like with Afghanistan. But the problem here is that you are asking me this questions and not your government who does it!
Like Afghanistan where the Taliban replaced the Taliban after 20 years? So in Ukraine’s context that means what, the Banderites replace the Banderites? Your country was already run by fascist oligarchs, why should we care about which fascists end up in charge? My government throws money into your cokehead comedians fire because that’s all he cares about (give me some credit man!). We’re not supporting you with troops. You are the one who wants Western support. We don’t want to support your country. This is a YOU problem. Not us.
You dumb idiot !
Great comeback mate! You got me there!
That sounds redundant.
You’re not putting enough blame on the US government. 99% of this entire situation is their fault. Obviously we don’t want to fund the war. Obviously we don’t even want a war, and neither do the Ukrainian people, but we can’t control what our governments do to benefit themselves and their friends. This is 100% on governments and not citizens. Direct your anger at politicians, not yegor.
Rubbish. I have already done so: nostr:note1fy474tfuwafk8mxyx2wzmtk49mpre6299kf9h09u942czjf3u8uskf0g9t I’m challenging a Ukrainian to justify why we’re destroying ourselves for his shithole country that’s just gonna be controlled by fascists if they luck out and win this war. Replace Banderites with Banderites? How’s that different from Afghanistan? It’s not. It’s fucking stupid and outside of that bubble we all see what’s happening and want no part of it.
Why does he owe you a justification? What do you want him to do about it? The only people who owe you a justification are politicians. Ukrainian individuals aren’t at fault for any of this. If anything, they’re victims of US imperialism. You’re just instigating for the sake of an argument.
He’s supporting this war continuing. Ukraine is long done. He wants it to continue. He owes everyone an explanation, not just me. He wants our money to continue flowing to these crooks, he refuses to accept reality, let him explain himself.
I’m Australian, you’re not gonna guilt me. Telling that you can’t address this head on for the real issue that exists though - just shows that your nationalism is so baked in you can’t see reality for what it is. You should reconsider. Westerners are going to turn on your country - better your lot gets wiped out than we send our younguns there to get wiped out and leave us all resentful of Ukrainians who have nowhere to go afterwards. So accept the wipeout is happening - how many do you want to be wiped out? You can’t win, so when do you end this nonsense? Westerners want to know.
Shots fired 👀 There's a reason many have fled. I can almost see a EUSSR program soon, funded by euro war bonds (so basically the Bundesbank) to send thousands of unwanted immigrants to rebuild the country that Putin is conveniently destroying while avoiding as much human casualties as possible (dead soldiers can't pay their monthly interest - someone has to think of the poor banks).
Glad you can see it. Ukrainians can’t - they think they can win this stupid war in which they’re getting absolutely slaughtered.
I'd reckon that's just how it looks in the media circle jerk - a lot of young ukrainians have thankfully fled the country which has betrayed them on every level and are starting new lives in europe or even Russia and the east. It's the same with their fake money system, innit - don't save in their slave bucks, and also don't parttake in their slave death contests, by any means. Starve the beast of your time, energy and life.
Yegor is in the US. Has been for ages. He’s still advocating Western nations fund the war in his homeland. He doesn’t see it being started by fascist Banderites (with US support) and he doesn’t see that fascist Banderites are going to end up in control regardless. He just wants Westerners to keep pouring in money so Russia doesn’t win. That’s it. That’s the level of his argument.
The level of my argument is that your brains don’t have enough cells to read above said and understand! Have a great day Mrs. Karen
You’re not convincing anyone. Go back and fight you fucking coward. You want our money, you want our support, then go back to Ukraine and actually fight with it rather than just make demands of us and hope we don’t see your country is controlled by fascists. You’ve proven yourself to be pathetic in this thread.
If anyone’s proven themselves pathetic in this thread it’s you
Two of you with no argument why the West is funding this nonsense, but who want everyone to just accept this stupidity on its face. Yeah mate, you can both GFY. Ukrainian lives aren’t worth more than any others, and given they’ve had a peace option for 2 years and ignored it and want the West to keep ploughing in money - no. No is the answer. GFY is the answer. Absolutely no one cares about Ukraine, they never did. End this shit or watch the world side with Russia to do so.
I’m not defending the funding. We are on the same page regarding that. What’s pathetic is you making personal attacks at Yegor and putting words in his mouth just because he’s from Ukraine. You sound like an ass. This entire conversation is completely unnecessary.
"Watch the world side with Russia to do so" and the EU ritually kill itself in the process, all in the name of sanctions against a country having to protect its sphere of influence from a non-EU adversary, with this mess happening in a non-EU country on the continent and every b'uro-rat in Brussels valuing this non-EU country more than the capital of all other EU members ... Tens of meaningless and self-detrimental sanctions packages and the pigs (this time from Sweden) are calling for full ban of Russian LNG imports, lmao. Who gives a fuck about the odd 500 or so million poorfucks in Europe, soon to be begging for whatever. Not sure bout Yegor, tho. There certainly are kiev bots/rookie glowies here pretending normal people are all pro-Kiev, which is hilarious.