Oddbean new post about login | logout Web of Trust Relay: This relay looks at who you follow, and who they follow, and saves every note in this trust network automatically. I added it as my only relay in amethyst and spam is now completely gone. Anyone in my web of trust can use my relay: wss://wot.utxo.one But the much better solution for nostr is to run your own WoT relay https://github.com/bitvora/wot-relay ps I'm faster than nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp
I can't see this note because I muted wss:/
Is it because replyguy? If so you could use a different expression like "on wss://" and "from wss://"
This is some next gen shit right here nostr:note1gaut89kukvy94l4kv0692twdzm3xqqnc7m9revp06xc9vx0h6c8sr52mnx
Dumb Relay era Ended Today. since Reply/Guy fucked public #nostr relay so hard and gossip model on client made it worse with every spam note being forwarded to other relay over and over. Now now, it's time for Smart Relay. #siamstr nostr:nevent1qqsyw79njmwtxzz6l6mx8az49hx3dcnqqfu0dj3ukqharvzkr8mavrcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qutx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4sxpqqqqqqz23mhkh
Thank you!
I’m gonna do a @HiveTalk later on & try n set it up while screen sharing n see if any devs r around to help walk me thru it
Tag me when u do
Saylesssssssss
This could be an interesting feature for a local relay like Citrine nostr:nprofile1qqs827g8dkd07zjvlhh60csytujgd3l9mz7x807xk3fewge7rwlukxgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgswaehxw309ahx7um5wghx6mmd9usjfpck for caching purposes — notes would load very quick and would save bandwidth too.
You won’t be able to welcome any noobs until someone in your network follows them though
I think it’s better to filter client side. For example, I can browse my feed using Coracle with less spam notes because of WoT, but I can easily hop over to another client to welcome noobs.
do you use coracle as your daily driver?
Nah. I mostly use Damus and my fork of Primal. https://primalfork.vercel.app
Do you think you can fix the bug where Primal always adds an extra space before every tagged npub? https://image.nostr.build/12eeda6ff8130f6930e0028522565bb29dc3afa9d64e4dc199b1d93ad499ceb5.jpg
What did you change in your nostr fork?
I mainly forked it cause there’s a major bug that makes the site unusable for me with this account and they’re not responding to issues and PRs. So I fixed the bug, made the like button a 🤙 instead of ❤️, and made it possible to zap with other wallets besides Alby.
I was also working on displaying the actual emojis used in reactions, but ran into an issue nostr:note12frkmmr4l5d9an57fp2wca97evudrzv9x69vey654kgxhl2z73zsygmnvh
hmm. i have the perfect domain for this 😉
Lokal funktioniert es auch super mit Docker. Much love <3 nostr:nevent1qqsyw79njmwtxzz6l6mx8az49hx3dcnqqfu0dj3ukqharvzkr8mavrcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qutx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4sxpqqqqqqz23mhkh
ohhh
Added this as my outbox, inbox, global and spam-safe relay on https://github.com/mikedilger/gossip. I don't have a relay with my own WoT, so I rely on dWoT (delegated web-of-trust). I also use 140.f7z.io, which is filtered by @PABLOF7z's WoT.
Added!!
At least add a home page to this thing, if I try to open it on a browser it I just get a standard 404 message.
Argh that involves css tho
Who said it has to? Just take a screenshot of @fiatjaf's complaint and make it the home page
Why? It doesn't have to. Not even HTML, you can do plaintext like https://labour.fiatjaf.com/ or https://countries.fiatjaf.com/
I'm just a dumb welder but I can spin up a landing page with chat GPT in about 2 minutes. There really is no excuse anymore.
That’s funny. @straycat and I are working with @cloud fodder on a similar project right now …. Something in the aire.
Hey @utxo the webmaster 🧑💻 … so like, SOME people I follow are prolific followers… How does your relay keep bots and bad actors out of the follows follows list? Do you do any additional calculations … or naw?
It doesn't calculate anything more. It counts on you to follow quality people
So I’m guessing the way bitvora works is I run my own bitvora WoT relay, use only that one relay, turn on global feed in any client and I see content from my follows + their follows- is that right? Kinda a cool idea. We could do that, but with lots more options.
Yep it can work for global or follows only. I follow about 1500 people and my network is about 55,000 people after the graph populates, so pretty sure I'm catching almost everything on one relay
This would be an alternative to the NIP-51 list export. Have a simple control panel with a dual slider for the Grapevine WoT score, to set the max value and min value. See only content from users in that range. 🤔
Dammit david!! Not even built the first two use cases and already someone comes along and suggests another!! Good thing we have @cloud fodder on our team with a whole bunch of relay.tools to play with!!! 👀
Haha yes the possibilities are endless! But they will all use the core library we’re working on right now! 🤓
is that library FOSS?
Yup. The algo is similar in some respects to PageRank, but with a few very important changes. It’s implemented right now at grapevine.my but it’s embedded in react, so we’ve just started the process of rewriting the algo as a standalone js library. Might do other languages after that, haven’t decided yet.
Here’s a geeky overview of the grapevine algo where I draw comparisons to PageRank and make the case for the differences between PageRank and “GrapeRank.” Specifically, why the introduction of a nonlinear term is unavoidable. https://habla.news/u/david@bitcoinpark.com/1725006462512
This looks pretty good but I am currently unable to read the mathematics part.
Honestly … I needed a personal walkthrough to grasp it for myself … but that’s prolly just because I’m dense. Maybe we can do a live stream presentation of the GrapeRank mechanics at some point … @straycat ?
I’d be happy to do that. Might work best to have someone else as host who can ask questions as I attempt to explain how the math works and why it is what it is. Right now I’m writing up the idea of the “grapevine worldview” which lets you visualize the sources of information (follows, mutes, lists, notes, etc) and how they are processed in multiple stages by the grapevine to provide answers to whatever questions we are interested in. That may help to clarify why the grapevine WoT score needs to function as a *weight*. By weight, I mean: how *loud* is someone’s voice on some given topic? We want to screen out the bots, but we don’t want to make it a popularity contest, and the math is chosen so it strikes the right balance.
