Oddbean new post about login | logout SimpleX Chat don´t know how many servers they have! Then they also don't know who is behind some servers! This provides a large attack surface for collecting metadata. The big tech companies only need the IP address and they know which user it is. How do they do that? 85% of all smartphones use Google's Android and this sends encrypted data packets to Google every day. This means that Google knows the IP address of every user. Amazon (online shopping monopolist in Western countries) knows the names & addresses of users (if an order was recently placed with the IP) Microsoft (operating system monopolist worldwide) knows the IP of the home computer and Internet router. This is the reason why it is insanely dangerous to get involved with money from big tech companies. They don't put their money into SimpleX because the logo looks so great, but because they want a “foot in the door” and data. PS: The same goes for Signal, they also run all their traffic through Google, Amazon, Microsoft & Cloudflare. What does Threema's server do? It only stores messages until they have been successfully delivered to the recipient and then deletes them again. The message is then overwritten by new messages on the server disk. This means that the deleted message cannot be recovered. This seems to me to be a much safer way than using a service like SimpleX, where the operators don't even know who is behind their server.
Fuck what a propaganda bot from Threema, go to ignore. Post: did you know that threema is a honeypot?
That's what everyone always says when they run out of arguments. Honeypot? Don't make me laugh... Then also provide verifiable evidence for this lie?
The analysis of securemessagingapps is totally incorrect, read the thread. As for threema being a honeypot, I'll simply tell you, can you tell what code they run on their servers? https://x.com/SimpleXChat/status/1827312939025457250
This is not proof.... I have described above what their servers do. And in the last (almost) 12 years, there has never been the slightest doubt that this is the case!
If you already start from lies with the Simplex protocol, what do you expect me to argue with you? You have relied on securemessaginapp's analysis which is totally incorrect. And you show that you have no idea how the Simplex protocol works, end of conversation.
FOLLOW THE MONEY and the Servers! Then the protocol doen´t matter.....
Globalists invest in privacy? SimpleX Chat is an open source messenger, which was conceived in privacy, keeping the anonymity of the users and without access to their data, but, in July 2022, SimpleX Chat secured seed funding from venture capital fund Village Global. In July 2022 SimpleX Chat raised a pre-seed funding from the VC fund Village Global. Village Global VC fund is Gates-Bezos-Zuckerberg. https://image.nostr.build/f68212690213a7f4c2075103bfcc02d7acfa659d28db113ac0769214487fd439.jpg Do you think these three characters want your privacy? Sources: 1. simplex.chat/blog/20230422-… 2. villageglobal.vc A lot of money from venture capitalists investing in Simplex, a "simple" startup. Do they all have a strong conviction for privacy? What is the interest of globalist angel investors? More money coming in... Jack Dorsey and Asymmetric Capital Partners https://simplex.chat/blog/20240814-simplex-chat-vision-funding-v6-private-routing-new-user-experience.html
Why not just setup an XMPP server and use a FOSS client instead?
XMMP is not private, metadata is exploitable.
Even if the data server is run by yourself?
The other servers on the network still generate metadata, XMPP was not designed with privacy in mind. The metadata shows who you talked to and at what time. On the other hand, setting up a SimpleX server is even easier and no metadata is generated.
XMPP is not a private messaging platform. It was specifically designed to be an open platform. Different components have been strapped on over time in an attempt to increase its privacy and security, but its foundation is simply not based on the notion of protecting user privacy. It certainly has its uses, but it shouldn't be considered an alternative to platforms that were built on the concept of privacy and anonymity.
https://www.securemessagingapps.com has updated its review of SimpleX, as you can see, SimpleX is now the highest rated application overall, the most private and the most cryptographically robust. Not that it was necessary for it to appear on this website, I have been warning about it for a long time, but in his first review in March 2024 the author of the website made an incorrect analysis of SimpleX. To highlight that it is the only one along with Signal i iMessage that have encryption resistant to quantum computation (this take it with tweezers, the explanation would be very long). The application does not collect contact information, unlike Signal and Threema, and no contact information is sent that can be associated with metadata, unlike Signal or Threema. Completely opensource server, unlike Threema which is closed. It is not dependent on any phone number, unlike Signal. nostr:note1jyr6znhhr3zt82m4aqnew49mfqn5ey0k6lh7enmqscyxg4gg3u8sfnxmwf
I don't think there is a better option than SimpleX at the moment, if we talk about the privacy, data leakage, and metadata issues that others have. If we talk about UX, it's a different issue 👍 👍
Check it for yourself: Visit https://www.securemessagingapps.com Rate: 🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0 Results (and where the money comes from) 1. Threema = 83 = most secure Messenger (User pays one-time BTC) 2. SimpleX Chat *= 79 3. Signal (OTF / Brian Acton / Ex-WhatsApp) = 77 4. Session (Loki Coin & suspicious Chinese) = 77 5. Wire (Janus Fries / Ex-Skype) = 68 6. Wickr (Amazon) = 61 7. Element / Matrix (Amdocs / Morris Kahn) = 56 8. Apple iMessage (Hardware sales) = 37 9. WhatsApp (Meta) = 32 10. Google Messages (Ads) = 28 11. Telegram (Putin) = 27 12. Facebook Messenger (Meta) = 26 13. Microsoft Skype =10 * SimpleX Chat got 380.000 $ from VillageGlobal.vc = Jez Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, ect. Plus Jack Dorsey and other Venture Capital Companys! OFT = OpenTechnologyFund = US-Goverment
This points system is punishing apps for for completely avoiding privacy/security problems. If it's not applicable then it should be counted as green, such as: -Do you get notified if a contact's fingerprint changes? -Is personal information (mobile number, contact list, etc.) hashed? -Are messages encrypted when backed up to the cloud?
SimpleX gets 88 points once you stop punishing them for avoiding those privacy/security issues in the first place.
Their irrelevant, arbitrary point system is straight-up bullshit that doesn't tell you which app is actually better. It's incredibly irresponsable to promote such a wildly unscientific approach to evaluating private messaging apps. These people should be ashamed of themselves for misleading people with this dog shit.
A messenger is only as good as the sum of its privacy points that it makes correctly! And SimpleX is just second best.... apart from the fact that Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are invested in SimpleX! ALLWAYS LOOK WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM! There are no "free" messenger in this world!
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