Or both. Similarly - it’s all a perfectly deterministic chain of interdependent cause-and-effect (“karmic” law) set in motion and continually enacted by our universal/collective consciousness (free will) That’s a fun one to play with, if you enjoy philosophical endeavors. I think pantheism may be one way to sum it up… a perfectly non-contradictory blend of physics and divine/spiritual philosophy… I love this stuff 🤙